Chairman rules out Disney park in Mideast, but not India

napnet

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DUBAI — Disney will not be establishing a park in Dubai or, in fact, anywhere in the Middle East anytime soon, said James Rasulo, chairman of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts speaking to Khaleej Times, during the IAA Congress.

"When deciding on a location, we have to look at the size of economy and the distribution of income. We are a premium tourism product and we need certain characteristics. I don't see the Middle East today as a market that is quite ready for that, but I never say never," he said.

However, India fulfils some of those requirements. He said: "There is a still a fundamental evolution of infrastructure that has to occur so that people can get to a single destination with the footprint that we would like to develop. Today that footprint is not in place." But that will not be the case forever, he added. "If you look at the population and economic realities of India, it is possible one day, but that day is not now."

China is a slightly different matter. Although Hong Kong recently opened a Disney Resort, he sees the establishment of a second resort in China as a real possibility. "Someday I imagine that due to the sheer geography of China, a growing economy and population there may be a second destination in China," he said. But not in coming years. "We look with great anticipation to be able to deliver our very special formula and entertainment to all of the markets that can support it," he said.

Rasulo also spoke about how to manage global brands in a "flat world". This is a world "where media is ubiquitously available, and the definition of what is a local market is being eroded by portability, customisation and personalisation," he said.

As one of the world's most global and successful brands, the reason for Disney's success is simple. "The basic principles of global brands come back, not shockingly, to consumer insights," said Rasulo. "If a brand does not speak to consumer need it will not be a global brand. It will simply be a globally distributed local brand." He said companies that have been successful in establishing a global brand speak to universal human values and the need to belong to communities.

Speaking about Walt Disney Parks and Resorts specifically Rasulo said the concept is successful because it fulfils "the desire to have a transformational experience and to feel as if your own personal dreams are coming true".

He also said; "The principles on which we can manage a global brand are anchored in consumer insights. They have universal principles that have to be consistently expressed and speak to universal values. They speak to what we believe are a market of one, that is so basic in its needs and desires, that that market is replicated by four or five billion people all over the world. This is what Disney does."
Rasulo explained that the branding is so consistent and universal that research shows that people all over the world see the Disney brand in the same way, "whether in a living room in Southern China or in California, where they have grown up with Disneyland," he said. He said the words that are consistently used to describe the Disney experience are magical, wonder and imagination, and phrases like: "Where my dreams can come true." "And we have built our brand around this," he said.


http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Display...h/theworld_March694.xml&section=theworld&col=
 

Connor002

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Not surprising, considering Dubiland's competition, and (probably most importantly) the instability of the Middle East in general. As for India... it's only a matter of time before they try to tap that market.
 

napnet

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India has the economy to support a Disney park there but i dont see any Middle Eastern country that will have the economy and population to support a park. I wonder with Disney buying into and making Bollywood movies in India has anything to do to prepair the area for a Disney invasion? See http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=72584
 

Connor002

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napnet said:
India has the economy to support a Disney park there but i dont see any Middle Eastern country that will have the economy and population to support a park.

The Middle East... no... not yet... and probably not in my lifetime...

napnet said:
I wonder with Disney buying into and making Bollywood movies in India has anything to do to prepair the area for a Disney invasion? See http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=72584

My guess is that it is extremely relevant. Disney is ramping up it's presence in the area, then they'll make sure to expose them to as much of the material as possible... preparing for the eventual announcement of the inevitable.
 

TP2000

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Connor002 said:
The Middle East... no... not yet... and probably not in my lifetime....

I wouldn't go that far. I would say "not in the next decade, but perhaps 15 years from now". Go back in time just 25 years and tell someone that within a decade Communism would fall, the Cold War would end, Russia would by an ally, the Berlin Wall would be torn down, there would be McDonalds in Red Square and they'd be buying Buicks in Beijing, and you would have been laughed out of the room.

We may laugh at the idea of a Dubai Disneyland now, but in 15 years it could be under construction quite easily. Of course, I hope they build plenty of shade for the queues. :cool:
 

AndyP

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TP2000 said:
I wouldn't go that far. I would say "not in the next decade, but perhaps 15 years from now". Go back in time just 25 years and tell someone that within a decade Communism would fall, the Cold War would end, Russia would by an ally, the Berlin Wall would be torn down, there would be McDonalds in Red Square and they'd be buying Buicks in Beijing, and you would have been laughed out of the room.

We may laugh at the idea of a Dubai Disneyland now, but in 15 years it could be under construction quite easily. Of course, I hope they build plenty of shade for the queues. :cool:

I totally agree, to predict on lifetime scales is not possible, since so much can change in a relatively short period of time.
 

napnet

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I would agree with connor that the economy in the Middle East wont support a park in my life time. Almost all the Middle East countries economies are based souly on oil which supposably we only have 40 years of it left. And alot of countries are trying to go Green and using less oil so the economies of these countries are quickly going to go down unless they find something else.
 

bgraham34

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Having a Disney park in the Middle East would be such a target. A huge American company of there would not be a welcomed sight
 

Connor002

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TP2000 said:
I wouldn't go that far. I would say "not in the next decade, but perhaps 15 years from now". Go back in time just 25 years and tell someone that within a decade Communism would fall, the Cold War would end, Russia would by an ally, the Berlin Wall would be torn down, there would be McDonalds in Red Square and they'd be buying Buicks in Beijing, and you would have been laughed out of the room.

We may laugh at the idea of a Dubai Disneyland now, but in 15 years it could be under construction quite easily. Of course, I hope they build plenty of shade for the queues. :cool:

The Middle East is extremely unstable, not to mention the common dislike of the United States in general. An American park would not be a welcome site for many, not to mention that it would be immensely difficult to pinpoint a market to cater too. Unlike China and India which are having massive populating growth in the Middle to Upper, the Middle East varies greatly from country to country, so much so that Disney would need to constantly make changes and mutilate their own p[arks in the attempt to keep all groups happy. If you need any example of how unstable the area is, perhaps you should look through any newspaper, read any history book, or for a better example, look at the recent riots over a cartoon. The Middle East is not a viable market for Disney to move into, and based on past history and current events, I wouldn't expect it to become one anytime soon.
 

Videoteck

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OMG thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard there will never be a park in the middleast thats totally crazy ok, great have a bombing everyday. I bet you wouldnt even be able to finish construction with out people getting killed left and right. Thats just so stupid. You would think it would bring those together but it wont...the hates overwhelming over there.
 

Connor002

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Videoteck said:
OMG thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard there will never be a park in the middleast thats totally crazy ok, great have a bombing everyday. I bet you wouldnt even be able to finish construction with out people getting killed left and right. Thats just so stupid. You would think it would bring those together but it wont...the hates overwhelming over there.

Please, never, never call another's idea stupid. Although there is more than enough trouble in the Middle Eastern area, they are, as in all cases, usually not the norm. For every bombing, for every person killed, for every war, there will always be those innocent persons who fall victim to the politics of the time.
 

Videoteck

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Connor002 said:
Please, never, never call another's idea stupid. Although there is more than enough trouble in the Middle Eastern area, they are, as in all cases, usually not the norm. For every bombing, for every person killed, for every war, there will always be those innocent persons who fall victim to the politics of the time.

If your saying that dying for just going into an amusment park isnt stupid your crazy I personally feel its suicide but thats just my opinion I am still young so I may not be right but thats what I feel.
 

AndyP

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Connor002 said:
The Middle East is extremely unstable, not to mention the common dislike of the United States in general. An American park would not be a welcome site for many, not to mention that it would be immensely difficult to pinpoint a market to cater too. Unlike China and India which are having massive populating growth in the Middle to Upper, the Middle East varies greatly from country to country, so much so that Disney would need to constantly make changes and mutilate their own p[arks in the attempt to keep all groups happy. If you need any example of how unstable the area is, perhaps you should look through any newspaper, read any history book, or for a better example, look at the recent riots over a cartoon. The Middle East is not a viable market for Disney to move into, and based on past history and current events, I wouldn't expect it to become one anytime soon.

What about the past between Japan and the US after WWII - Japan now has 2 very successful Disney themeparks, WWII was only 60 years ago.
 

Connor002

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AndyP said:
What about the past between Japan and the US after WWII - Japan now has 2 very successful Disney themeparks, WWII was only 60 years ago.

Japanese tension with the US was different. It was a structured war in which two sides fought for their countries, following the governing of the Geneva Convention. After the war tension subsided (not initially, mind you), and Japan has become an extremely developed country with large middle to upper class groups, and most importantly, they area is stable. The Middle East, on the other hand, is not only unstable now, but has been for thousands of years. With Guerrilla warfare and political groups at constant war with one another, the Middle East is not a viable market for Disney, and I feel confident in saying that this will not change anytime soon.
 

AndyP

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Connor002 said:
Japanese tension with the US was different. It was a structured war in which two sides fought for their countries, following the governing of the Geneva Convention. After the war tension subsided (not initially, mind you), and Japan has become an extremely developed country with large middle to upper class groups, and most importantly, they area is stable. The Middle East, on the other hand, is not only unstable now, but has been for thousands of years. With Guerrilla warfare and political groups at constant war with one another, the Middle East is not a viable market for Disney, and I feel confident in saying that this will not change anytime soon.

I understand your points, but I completely disagree. You're views of the Japanese situation is due to hindsight. At the end of WWII after the Kamakazi campaign of Japan, followed by the two nuclear bombs as a response, you'd be saying exactly the same about potential markets in Japan as you are now saying about the potential markets in the Middle East now. Just look at the UAE and Dubai, the development of tourism there is absolutely staggering and they can't build hotels there fast enough at the moment, as well as the recent construction of highly themed water parks and snow domes. I think the UAE is an example of the potential of the Middle East once the conflict is resolved. Ofcourse this is if it is resolved, but to say that this will not happen within your lifetime when you are relatively young is not possible.
 

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