Cars Land Fills Up Anaheim Hotels

TP2000

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The OC Register has a story today with some very impressive statistics on how the opening of Cars Land in June has sent hotel occupancy and room rates skyward for all Anaheim hotels this summer.

Occupancy for Anaheim hotels is up to 91.4% (a very high number for the industry), and room rates have increased 7.5% over last summer. A key business metric for the hotel industry, called RevPar (basically the revenue per room) has increased for all Anaheim hotels by 8.7% over last summer.

Newspaper article is here... http://lansner.ocregister.com/2012/09/27/cars-land-fills-up-anaheim-hotels/166629/

You can bet the local hotels and motels are thrilled with Cars Land, even if they haven't been able to get on Radiator Springs Racers yet. I also wonder what this means for future hotel expansion for Disney owned hotels? Al Lutz has mentioned a plan to build another 300 rooms in a fourth tower at the Disneyland Hotel; the Tomorrowland Tower placed just west of ESPNZone. Lutz has also mentioned a more blue sky plan to build another Disney deluxe hotel on the current shuttle bus loading zones along Harbor Blvd.

And then there's the non-Disney hotels planned for GardenWalk and the southeast corner of Katella and Harbor. Those private developers have been sitting on their hands for years now, after Disney quietly backed out of Rasulo's plan to operate pseudo-Disney hotels at GardenWalk. The strong financials now supporting the Anaheim hotel business, all funded by a little thing called Cars Land, would seem to be forcing the hand of developers waiting for the right moment to build.

An interesting story to watch develop in 2013, likely.
 

Cosmic Commando

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This was definitely expected, and I'm so happy to hear it. I can't wait to see those attendance numbers for the new year!
Did you see my post in one of the "Y'all" or "DHS Carsland" threads? I took Al's number of 7 million guests so far this year and mathmagically figured out that DCA is has been pulling in guests at an annual clip of 15.2M people since June 15th!
 

Californian Elitist

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Did you see my post in one of the "Y'all" or "DHS Carsland" threads? I took Al's number of 7 million guests so far this year and mathmagically figured out that DCA is has been pulling in guests at an annual clip of 15.2M people since June 15th!

Yes, I saw that! If the number averages around your guesstimate, I will be in shock.
 

Cosmic Commando

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Yes, I saw that! If the number averages around your guesstimate, I will be in shock.
It does sound strange (I had a hard time believing it myself), but Al has said that DCA has been drawing as well as or better than Disneyland this summer. Disneyland is in that 15M range. The crowds will probably drop off a little at DCA, but I don't think it's crazy to think that attendance could double from 2011 to 2013... somewhere in the 12-13M range. If the number of people asking for DL trip advice on this board is any barometer, DCA is going to really pull in the tourists for a while.
 

Californian Elitist

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It does sound strange (I had a hard time believing it myself), but Al has said that DCA has been drawing as well as or better than Disneyland this summer. Disneyland is in that 15M range. The crowds will probably drop off a little at DCA, but I don't think it's crazy to think that attendance could double from 2011 to 2013... somewhere in the 12-13M range. If the number of people asking for DL trip advice on this board is any barometer, DCA is going to really pull in the tourists for a while.

Disneyland actually pulled in 16 million last year, so if DCA ranges around 12-13 million, that will be a significant boost, given that DCA was drawing in 10 million less people than DL. This is insane to think about. We need someone who's good in statistics to help us get our guess correct.
 

TP2000

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And we have always been told that Disneyland is a "local" market.


Locals don't stay in hotels.

The Anaheim Resort District (including the Garden Grove strip of new hotels a few blocks south) has just over 20,000 hotel rooms. Not sure how a little "locals only" park like Disneyland can fill 20,000 hotel rooms each year, but for some bizarre reason all those hotel rooms are sitting there. And at a 92% vacancy rate at that. :D

As for DCA attendance, I think Disneyland will take a hit but the overall Resort numbers will be up nicely over 2011. Using the widely-respected TEA numbers from 2011, I will bet two churros that the 2012 numbers will end up like this...

2011 Attendance
Disneyland - 16.1 Million
DCA - 6.3 Million
DLR Total - 22.4 Million

2012 Attendance Guess From TP2000
Disneyland - 14 Million
DCA - 10.5 Million
DLR Total - 24.5 Million

That would be an increase of 2.5 Million visitors for 2012, after Cars Land opened June 15th. I think there will be additional modest gains from those numbers for 2013, barring a complete implosion of the already weak American economy triggered by a collapse of the Euro currency and widening civil unrest across Europe, or major civil unrest crisis in China due to an economic crash there.
 

Cosmic Commando

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Disneyland actually pulled in 16 million last year, so if DCA ranges around 12-13 million, that will be a significant boost, given that DCA was drawing in 10 million less people than DL. This is insane to think about. We need someone who's good in statistics to help us get our guess correct.
I think my math was sound, it's just that when the result you get is so far off from what we're used to, you start second guessing yourself!
 

unkadug

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The Anaheim Resort District (including the Garden Grove strip of new hotels a few blocks south) has just over 20,000 hotel rooms. Not sure how a little "locals only" park like Disneyland can fill 20,000 hotel rooms each year, but for some bizarre reason all those hotel rooms are sitting there. And at a 92% vacancy rate at that. :D
But doesn't this district also include the Anaheim Convention Center which houses several LARGE conventions...The Winter NAMM show alone brings in over 80,000 people for it's trade show.
 

TP2000

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But doesn't this district also include the Anaheim Convention Center which houses several LARGE conventions...The Winter NAMM show alone brings in over 80,000 people for it's trade show.

Yes, the Anaheim Convention Center is the largest (by square footage) convention center on the west coast. And being the largest, it hosts some of the biggest (by attendance) conventions in the western USA. Those big event conventions of 50,000+ people, of which Anaheim usually has about a half dozen per year (NAMM is the largest), fill up the rooms quickly. An event like NAMM fills hotels rooms from Laguna Beach to Santa Monica, with traffic around Anaheim at a gridlock standstill during NAMM due to all the commuters driving in for the day to the show.

And many of those conventioneers often spend a day or two at Disneyland, or at least the spouses and the kiddies head over to the park.
 

SeverusSnape

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I am from the east coast. Took a trip out west a few weeks ago. Spent 4 nights/3 days at Disneyland. I absolutely loved it. Disneyland is just a compact magic kingdom, and DCA was an amazing park. I loved being able to just walk back and forth between parks, a la Universal Orlando.

Carsland was awesome. Radiator Springs Racers is everything that we would wish Test Track would have been. It was huge, well themed, very cute, and thrilling.

It was an awesome trip. If I go out to Cali in the future I am definitely keeping Disney in mind.
 

Californian Elitist

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I am from the east coast. Took a trip out west a few weeks ago. Spent 4 nights/3 days at Disneyland. I absolutely loved it. Disneyland is just a compact magic kingdom, and DCA was an amazing park. I loved being able to just walk back and forth between parks, a la Universal Orlando.

Carsland was awesome. Radiator Springs Racers is everything that we would wish Test Track would have been. It was huge, well themed, very cute, and thrilling.

It was an awesome trip. If I go out to Cali in the future I am definitely keeping Disney in mind.

Happy you gave the Disneyland Resort a chance and enjoyed your trip!
 

fosse76

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Happy you gave the Disneyland Resort a chance and enjoyed your trip!
This is the first time in 6 years I only visited WDW once. Yet I will have been to DLR 3 times! (LOVE that Premiere Pass). And DLR treats passholders better (counter service food discounts, and you should see the passholders newsletter they just sent out which was this huge "catalogue" of pictures taken by CMs and guests).
 

Californian Elitist

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This is the first time in 6 years I only visited WDW once. Yet I will have been to DLR 3 times! (LOVE that Premiere Pass). And DLR treats passholders better (counter service food discounts, and you should see the passholders newsletter they just sent out which was this huge "catalogue" of pictures taken by CMs and guests).

I heard that. The passholders are treated better at the Disneyland Resort. What is the difference, exactly?
 

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