Canon 7D w/10-22 f/3.5-4.5 vs 5D

[jdrork]

Let me start by listing what I have (all Canon)
Bodies:
xti
50D

Lenses:
24-70mm f/2.8L
70-200mm f/2.8L IS
28-105mm f/4L
17-40mm f/4L
35mm f/2
50mm f/1.8

Here is the question. I had access to a 5D that I used to bring with me to Disney with my 17-40mm for wide angle shooting but the camera moved away. Now I am stuck without a WA. I have about $2200 to spend and I cant decide between the 7D w/10-22 f/3.5-4.5 vs 5D M2. They come out to about the same price but which would I like more. The 7D with the 10mm would give me a true 16mm shot with video. Disadvantage is the 10-22mm is not a L glass which as you can tell I am stuck on. The 5D gives me the ability to use my 17mm for WA. Disadvantage, no video and 17mm vs 16mm.


I know it looks like money is not an issue but I think the wife finally said enough is enough.

What would you do?

 

[wdwmagic]

Nice lens lineup! I can certainly see you do have a thing for the L's!

I'm not following on the video issue. Are you saying that you prefer the video performance of the 7D over the 5Dmk2, or that you want 16mm on the video?

 

[RiversideBunny]

Why not get the 17-55/2.8 for your 50D?

It's a very good wide angle zoom and is almost an L lens.
The elements are L level.

What if your wife is right?

Good luck.

 

[jdrork]

Why not get the 17-55/2.8 for your 50D?

It's a very good wide angle zoom and is almost an L lens.
The elements are L level.

What if your wife is right?

Good luck.

17-55mm on the 50D has a crop factor that makes it 26mm. 5D is the only true full frame.

The wife is never right. I Love doing wide angle photograph and 26mm is just not good enough. Its bad enough that I am settling for 17mm.

 

[jdrork]

Nice lens lineup! I can certainly see you do have a thing for the L's!

I'm not following on the video issue. Are you saying that you prefer the video performance of the 7D over the 5Dmk2, or that you want 16mm on the video?

Sorry, i didn't qualify that. The 7D has an updated video capablity along with everything else. Becauase it is a bit newer than the 5D everything is a bit better with the next generation processor and........

 

[WDWFigment]

Have you considered selling the 28-105mm f/4L? I see that as redundant in terms of what you have. I would do that, sell the 17-40 as well, get the 16-35 2.8, and also get the 5DmkII. I think money-wise, you should come out roughly the same as just getting the 5dmkII (maybe even upgrade the 50 1.8 to the 50 1.4 if you come out "ahead"!), and this way, you have less overlap in your focal range.

...I really wish I had this type of glass. You're a lucky man...

 

[E P C O T]

Void.

 

[wdwmagic]

Sorry, i didn't qualify that. The 7D has an updated video capablity along with everything else. Becauase it is a bit newer than the 5D everything is a bit better with the next generation processor and........

I think with the last firmware release the 5D has all the video capability of the 7D. Infact, I think it may even have a slight edge because the 5D also has manual recording levels on the audio, whereas the 7D has auto-gain control only.

The 7D autofocus is reportedly superior, but that doesn't come into play with video.

 

[jdrork]

Have you considered selling the 28-105mm f/4L? I see that as redundant in terms of what you have. I would do that, sell the 17-40 as well, get the 16-35 2.8, and also get the 5DmkII. I think money-wise, you should come out roughly the same as just getting the 5dmkII (maybe even upgrade the 50 1.8 to the 50 1.4 if you come out "ahead"!), and this way, you have less overlap in your focal range.

...I really wish I had this type of glass. You're a lucky man...

I agree with trading the 17-40 for the 16-35 but I have to leave my wife with a lens and she really like the weight and range of the 28-105. Most likely she will use the xti with the 28-105.

 

[jdrork]

I think with the last firmware release the 5D has all the video capability of the 7D. Infact, I think it may even have a slight edge because the 5D also has manual recording levels on the audio, whereas the 7D has auto-gain control only.

The 7D autofocus is reportedly superior, but that doesn't come into play with video.

I did not know about the firmware release. I will have to look into that. It might just tip the scale. The only thing that wont change though is the dual processor in the 7D vs 5D.

 

[wdwmagic]

I did not know about the firmware release. I will have to look into that. It might just tip the scale. The only thing that wont change though is the dual processor in the 7D vs 5D.

Yep there is no doubt that the 7D is as fast as heck. Very very responsive and lightning quick AF.

 

[RiversideBunny]

.......I Love doing wide angle photograph and 26mm is just not good enough. Its bad enough that I am settling for 17mm.

What kind of shots are you doing that require such extreme WA?
You're almost into fish eye country.

I wouldn't think that you need that much wide angle for most WDW shots.
Tks.

 

[WDWFigment]

What kind of shots are you doing that require such extreme WA?
You're almost into fish eye country.

I wouldn't think that you need that much wide angle for most WDW shots.
Tks.

Effectively using a UWA is all about perspective, not about cramming as much into the shot as you can. I can think of a number of scenarios in which I've shot the same subject at 11mm and then shot it at 200mm. I hate to recommend Ken Rockwell, but he actually has a pretty decent article discussing how so many people incorrectly use a UWA in the 'cramming' regard.

 

[jdrork]

Effectively using a UWA is all about perspective, not about cramming as much into the shot as you can. I can think of a number of scenarios in which I've shot the same subject at 11mm and then shot it at 200mm. I hate to recommend Ken Rockwell, but he actually has a pretty decent article discussing how so many people incorrectly use a UWA in the 'cramming' regard.

Could not have said it better myself. I like a little distortion in a shot.
When I shoot WA I like to get as close to an object as I can so that it really give an idea of the depth of the shot.

I dont know how to insert a photo so here is a link to a shot of the liberty bell I took.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/39967277@N03/4050752138/
It looks like it is coming out of the photo.

 

[PhotoDave219]

I prefer the full-frame sensors. I've seen a 7D and used a 5Dmk2 and the 5dMk2 is fantastic, except for the slower frame rate. But who really needs 8 fps?

Oaky well beyond me at baseball, who needs it at WDW?

 

[JROK]

I prefer the full-frame sensors. I've seen a 7D and used a 5Dmk2 and the 5dMk2 is fantastic, except for the slower frame rate. But who really needs 8 fps?

Oaky well beyond me at baseball, who needs it at WDW?

Stat for stat it comes down to this:

Pros of the 7D:
• New 19-point AF System (5DMK2: 9-point AF System)
• New 63 Area Metering with Color (5DMK2: 35-zone Metering)
• Exposure Compensation +/- 5EV (5DMK2: +/- 2EV)
• Dual Digic4 (5DMK2: Single Digic4)
• 8fps Burst (5DMK2: 3.9fps)
• 100% Coverage Viewfinder (5DMK2: 98%)
• Additional Video Framerates: 720p60
• Better weather sealing

Pros of the 5D MarkII:
• Full Frame Sensor (7D: APS-C with 1.6x Magnification)
• 21 megapixels (7D: 18 megapixels)
• Amazing Low Light Image Quality
• Max ISO 25,600 (7D: 12,800 and poor quality)
• Manual Audio Control during Video Recording (7D: Automatic Gain Control. Firmware upgradeable)

Stacked up stat for stat, the 7D could be seen as the stronger camera. However, it is still not an easy decision. There are plenty of areas where the 5D MarkII would be a better camera for the situation, due in part to the full frame sensor. If being able to shoot low-light and at wide angles is something you do very often, then everything the 7D has over the 5D MarkII wouldn’t be worth it. The 5D MarkII is designed for weddings, events, and concert photography where you’re constantly shooting wide and in low-light. The image quality of the 5D MarkII is just so much better that the 7D struggles to compete. But if your photography is comprised of using strobes, or shooting outdoors, then the 5DMKII’s benefits with image quality may be marginal.

I went with the 7D and for me it came down to not only the items above, but also money. I looked at the pros and cons of each camera and rated them in order of importance to my photography. Having the ability to shoot 720p60 was important, as was the new AF/Meter system, and the burst rate, more so than the low-light and wide angle capabilities of the 5D MarkII. I figured I had shot for 5 years with an APS-C sensor and had been able to work around the flaws, that the benefits of having the wider angle and better ISO were being outweighed by things like having a better burst rate that allowed me to shoot sports and concerts.

In the end, remember that this will not be the last camera body you purchase. If you are willing to invest nearly $2,000 on a camera body, chances are you will be buying another one within the next 1.5-3 years. I purchased the 7D for now, but as soon as a 5D MarkIII comes out with the next generation AF/Meter as well as even better video capabilities, believe me that I will be replacing my 7 with a 5.

And as countless people have said before, it is not necessarily what body you are using, but how you use it, and what glass you have in front of it. By going with a 7D over a 5D MarkII I was able to save $800 which I can then reinvest into more prime lenses, or more lighting, things that I will be able to take with me from one body to the next. However, if you do purchase the EF-S 10-22 lens, you can't take that with you to the 5D.

 

[wdwmagic]

Good stuff. Let us know how it goes once you get it.

 

[PhotoDave219]

I just ran into some serious issues with whether i was going to buy a Nikon d300s.

Short version, I'm not. Its great in movie mode but takes subpar pictures for what i would need it for. Was very disappointed.

So when you're talking about dropping $1500 or more, you have to make sure its something you really want and does what you need.

 

[jdrork]

I went with the 5D

After a lot of consideration (and a refund check from my taxes arriving) I decided to go with the 5D. I am going to be in southern Florida fishing this weekend and I'll tell you what, if my camera arrises today I am going to have a tough time not running over to Disney one night to do some night shooting. Its about 3 hours from my house down in Marco so I would do a it round trip in one day. Either way when it gets here I will play with it and let you know how it goes.

 

[E P C O T]

Void.