Apparently MM+ is being tested at Disneyland right now

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disney4life2008

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I just dont see how this can be implemented at DLR. Their fan base is largely socal/California residents who may day and weekend trips on the fly. DLR does not need to be touched it is fine the way it is. MM+ has caused enough strain on us on the east coast.
 
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This is just a wild guess, but I get the impression that Disney is looking at ways to reduce or eliminate local APs in the lower price tiers and focus on top tier APs, vacationers, premium experiences (ie: Jungle Cruise breakfast) and MM+ to offset any revenue decline from reduced local traffic. If demand for the parks remains high, which it undoubtedly will barring any major economic disruptions, I would not be surprised if payment plans are gone by the time SW land opens.
 

RandomPrincess

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They have said that a version was coming but it would not be exactly the same as WDW. We will have to see what happens. I would love if FP stayed pretty much the same but turned into a digital format. The vast majority of DL visitors have and use smart phones in the parks.
 
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In previous statements didn't Disney say at most they would implement Fastpass+? I saw a video Inside the Magic did and they're starting testing with Space Mountain. And from the video it looks like people are scanning either their ticket or the regular paper fast pass.
 

RandomPrincess

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More from Inside the Magic -

"A Disneyland official reached out to elaborate on the testing following the publication of this article. According to the company representative, the test for now is just for Space Mountain, in which Disney is gauging the efficiency of using a barcode-based FastPass reader at the ride’s entrance. If the test goes well, future paper FastPasses could have bar codes printed on them for quick scanning. The Disney representative could not offer any further comment on whether the test is related to any potential inclusion of MyMagic+, MagicBands, or FastPass+ at the Disneyland Resort, only to say that they are frequently testing new technologies to see what works in the parks."
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I would love to see the bar code scanning integrated with your smart phone via an app. My library does this with an app for library cards and it's very convenient. You could choose a paper print out or digital.
 

dweezil78

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They have said that a version was coming but it would not be exactly the same as WDW. We will have to see what happens. I would love if FP stayed pretty much the same but turned into a digital format. The vast majority of DL visitors have and use smart phones in the parks.

Would love it too. Having a centralized digital system without having to stop at a glorified printer outside of each attraction would make things a lot easier and more streamlined. I think the real fear from most people (at least it is for me) is whether or not they will add FP to almost every attraction in the way they have done at WDW which tends to make lines longer all around -- though to be honest, I'm not quite certain of the science/math behind why that is if the # of people in the parks is the same haha.
 

CaptainAmerica

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Would love it too. Having a centralized digital system without having to stop at a glorified printer outside of each attraction would make things a lot easier and more streamlined. I think the real fear from most people (at least it is for me) is whether or not they will add FP to almost every attraction in the way they have done at WDW which tends to make lines longer all around -- though to be honest, I'm not quite certain of the science/math behind why that is haha if the # of people in the parks is the same haha.
You're absolutely correct on the math.
 

Phroobar

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They kind of already do this with disabled guests. The party checks in at one of the info booths and asks to ride something. They scan the tickets/AP passes and give a time even if all the fast passes are handed out for the day. At the time, the tickets/AP passes are shown at the fastpass entrance and are scanned again with the cast member's iphone.
 

Mawg

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Just went to Disneyland 2 weeks ago. Still love the old Fast Pass system over WDW. The only gripe I have about it is that I have to be a runner and leave my group to go get fast passes. I've even been known to go to the other park to get fast passes ahead of time when I know we are going to hop parks soon. If the system stayed exactly the same but allowed me to grab fast passes from my smart phone it would be perfect. None of this up to 60 days in advance, only 3 then use a kiosk, add every ride to the fast pass system stuff that WDW is doing. The Magic Band is not a bad thing either for payments and opening your room or to show you have a fast pass. Once you scan your ticket into a park for that day, you can grab a fast pass on your phone for something. Once you use that fast pass or wait window is up then you can book another fast pass on your phone.
 

JediMasterMatt

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I think the real fear from most people (at least it is for me) is whether or not they will add FP to almost every attraction in the way they have done at WDW which tends to make lines longer all around -- though to be honest, I'm not quite certain of the science/math behind why that is if the # of people in the parks is the same haha.

That is the danger of a MM+ backend for a FP+ frontend - if it expands to encompass more attractions than what the current system already does.

The entire thing is based on perception. MM+/FP+ was created as a solution to provide the perception of value to the guest as an alternative to traditional solutions to capacity concerns (adding new attractions or replacing/augmenting old ones). The perceived value to the guest of having a "FastPass" is worth something to them - e.g. "Hey, I'm bypassing those poor saps standing in that standby line". At WDW, the real concern is that they are significantly lacking at the guest/attraction (capacity) ratio. For FP+ to work at WDW, the Mouse is betting that a significant portion of guests we find value in taking a FP for an attraction that historically doesn't command much of a line (either it is truly unpopular like Stitch or has great guest/hour capacity like Spaceship Earth) instead of taking a FP for something popular (like a Mountain). When using your smart device app or standing at a kiosk and faced with the prospect of a return time for a Mountain in a few hours or a return time for something else much sooner, the Mouse is betting a portion of people that would want to ride the popular attraction may take the alternative shorter wait. It's all based on that perception of value.

At DLR, things are a bit different in that there is a mousetrap that was designed to help with the problem of capacity at WDW that doesn't have the exact same demands at DLR. DLR has a much higher guest/attraction ratio than WDW thankfully. So, the need to implement FP+ doesn't have to meet the same objectives.

It's important to discuss the operational impact that MM+/FP+ has on the parks if based on the WDW model. You mention the math staying constant. While it is true that FP+ doesn't alter the attractions native ability to server more guests in a given period of time, the WDW implementation does have impact to the actual and perceived operation of the park to guests.

- Higher percentage of guests/hour designated for FP+ than current system. In order for FP+ to retain the perception of value, time slots have to be in the system. To accomplish this, the ratio of standby guests to FP guests gets altered. More guests per hour on each attraction are devoted to FP+ than the previous system at WDW. This means that the standby line moves less efficiently. The actual length of the line may not have changed; but, the rate at which guests move through it slows.

- With more guests with FP's, that means a higher percentage of guests not waiting in the standby lines. This creates more congestion in the parks on the streets/stores/etc.

- With MM+ and FP+, a higher percentage of unfulfilled return times occurs as reservations are made in advance (weeks in the case of WDW) and often remotely (often when you aren't even in the park) and "life intervenes" and guests don't make it to the attraction on time. To accommodate this higher percentage of no-shows, the FP+ system has a built in buffer of issuing more return times that what it theoretically perfectly should to provide the proper ratio they desire for FP+/standby. The solution to more people returning to an attraction in a given block of time or less people is that the difference is accommodated by the standby line. Which means the standby "posted" time can wildly fluctuate. To offset this, the standby times are often reported as being much higher than the actual.

If DLR attempts to implement FP+ on more attractions than the current lineup of legacy FP enabled ones, that will also mean more people on the streets in a park where the real issues are around traffic flow patterns. Also, this would mean more real estate carved away to accommodate FP lines at attractions that currently don't have them.

I am still hopeful that DLR will stick to what the original plan for MM+/FP+ (which wasn't what Burbank originally wanted) - let the FP+ tech come to DLR for the current legacy FP roster and allow guests to pre-reserve and remotely reserve return times. They originally wanted to not participate in the "crowd steering" aspects of FP+ as it would overwhelm the already busy traffic patterns in the parks.

So, short version... the perception of FP+ changing wait times negatively is valid at WDW. Standby lines move slower and there is more congestion on the streets. Sometimes perception is reality. Which is rare with MM+/FP+ as there is NO VALUE in scoring that sweet return time for Stitch at WDW.
 

rreading

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This is just a wild guess, but I get the impression that Disney is looking at ways to reduce or eliminate local APs in the lower price tiers and focus on top tier APs, vacationers, premium experiences (ie: Jungle Cruise breakfast) and MM+ to offset any revenue decline from reduced local traffic. If demand for the parks remains high, which it undoubtedly will barring any major economic disruptions, I would not be surprised if payment plans are gone by the time SW land opens.

We were at DL 2 weeks ago over the Columbus Day holiday, which is also a Fall break for many schools. As it was a holiday weekend, some crowd would be expected, but it was a zoo. We stayed on site and got up early; thus we were able to ride most everything and enjoy our trip. But were we not early risers, it would have been a miserable experience. You can argue that prices should stay low, but it would be nice if the park was not so swamped. If they are not going to restrict availability of tickets, higher prices would (potentially) decrease demand. Limiting the cheap tickets for the locals would definitely help.
 

Curious Constance

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Does Fastpass increase the number of people that want to ride an attraction in one day? If not, I have a hard time seeing how FastPass slows wait times. Without FastPass there would be longer stand by lines, right?
 

flynnibus

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Does Fastpass increase the number of people that want to ride an attraction in one day? If not, I have a hard time seeing how FastPass slows wait times. Without FastPass there would be longer stand by lines, right?

To keep it simple... wait times are about how many people are in line.. not how many people may want to ride an attraction. FP manipulates how many are in line, and the priority between those in line. FP in theory should spread load OUT.. making improvements.. but in practice because of how many FPs you can have, when you can return, etc.. there can be spikes in waits due to FP returns.

Enforcing return times was one of the major moves that had to be made to reduce the impact of FP.

The biggest issue with FP in Cali is not about how many rides they have etc... its the visiting patterns of the guests and them being y that there aren't FPs available for when THEY happen to show up at the park. That.. and the real lack of space for additional FP queues.
 
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Deleted member 107043

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The biggest issue with FP in Cali is not about how many rides they have etc... its the visiting patterns of the guests and them being ****y that there aren't FPs available for when THEY happen to show up at the park. That.. and the real lack of space for additional FP queues.

Not if Disney keeps twisting the crank on AP program pricing and structure. SW Land mania is pretty much a guarantee that the APs will continue to be retooled to the point where only those who shell out top dollar will have full access to the park at any given time.
 

thomas998

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Would love it too. Having a centralized digital system without having to stop at a glorified printer outside of each attraction would make things a lot easier and more streamlined. I think the real fear from most people (at least it is for me) is whether or not they will add FP to almost every attraction in the way they have done at WDW which tends to make lines longer all around -- though to be honest, I'm not quite certain of the science/math behind why that is if the # of people in the parks is the same haha.
As an out of town visitor to DL I would love having the Fastpass+ put into DL... but as a local I would hate it. If they do it like they have at WDW you will see the prime fastpasses gone 59-60 days in advance and local would likely end up forced into standby lines for things like Radiator Springs Racer because the way the annual plan holders get a fastpass at WDW is that they must wait until 30 days prior to the visit and are only allocated 7 days in any one month period that they can have fastpasses on. With very popular rides at WDW like the mine train those passes are all gone well before the 30 day window opens up.. would expect the same for new popular ride at DL as well.
 

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