A few Mission: SPACE updates

[MrNonacho]

Sorry for creating yet ANOTHER thread on M:S... Perhaps Steve should make a new forum just for it. Anyway, here are a few things I noticed today.

First, the updated small screen video has been added to the other centrifuges. I'm not sure if all four have it, but it's definitely not just Green anymore. One thing I noticed about the new video apart from the fixed mission duration is that Capcom's lip sync is no longer off after the lunar gravity assist.

Second, I noticed a nice little nod to the old Mission to Mars ride. If you watch one of the small screens on one of the Training Operations consoles, you'll see one show the gag that was done in the Mission to Mars preshow. The screen flashes "RADAR ALERT" and then there's a shot of a duck or goose crash landing in slow motion.

Finally, it looks as though the Mission: SPACE Launch Center in Innoventions East is on its way out. It is now closed off and surrounded by construction walls.

Thanks for reading!

 

[ToTBellHop]

Originally posted by MrNonacho
First, the updated small screen video has been added to the other centrifuges. I'm not sure if all four have it, but it's definitely not just Green anymore. One thing I noticed about the new video apart from the fixed mission duration is that Capcom's lip sync is no longer off after the lunar gravity assist.

Ah, why'd they have to change that? It was perfect...out by the moon, there SHOULD be slight delay between the image from Capcom arriving and the sound...I thought it was great.

 

[CTXRover]

Re: Re: A few Mission: SPACE updates

Originally posted by ISTCNavigator57
Ah, why'd they have to change that? It was perfect...out by the moon, there SHOULD be slight delay between the image from Capcom arriving and the sound...I thought it was great.

Because it probably wasn't meant to be that way We are supposed to be 30 years into the future, we probably should be able to get better "reception" :lol: Then again, using that logic, one would think ISTC would have the technology to be able to break in at the preshow without static! :lol:

 

[s25843]

LOL If the Ride is still around in 2036 I wonder if they are going to change the dates etc to even more into the future...

 

[Thrawn]

Actually, at the speed of light, there is no way there wouldn't be a delay. And obviously the theme of M:S cannot go faster than light otherwise we would not need hypersleep to get to Mars, it would be much faster.

However, BOTH audio and video would be delayed, not just video. Its like when you watch CNN or such and they talk to someone in Iraq. It takes 3-5 seconds for them to get the question after it has been asked. Same principal applies. It only looks like a delay to the person asking the question and a bystander. If you were there in Iraq with the person, you would not notice any delay, except in waiting for the next question.

Hope I made that kind of clear.

 

[ToTBellHop]

both are delayed, but to differing levels, which leads to the gap between when you see video and when you hear audio. You utilize different size waves of differing frequencies.

 

[MrNonacho]

Originally posted by ISTCNavigator57
You utilize different size waves of differing frequencies.

Radio waves are still part of the electromagnetic spectrum. No matter the frequency or wavelength, they should still travel at the speed of light. Just like how different colors of light, though different in their wavelengths, travel at the same speed.

The video and audio should be in sync, though I thought it was a nice effect anyway. But I won't miss it.

 

[pan11435]

Radio waves are still part of the electromagnetic spectrum. No matter the frequency or wavelength, they should still travel at the speed of light. Just like how different colors of light, though different in their wavelengths, travel at the same speed.

The video and audio should be in sync, though I thought it was a nice effect anyway. But I won't miss it.

Yes they are part of the electromagnetic spectrum, however they do travel at different speeds. Think about this.. Some planes and travel at or above the speed of sound which creates the sonic boom . However nothing man made can travel anywher near the speed of light. And probably never will. So in space there would be a delay.

Because it probably wasn't meant to be that way We are supposed to be 30 years into the future, we probably should be able to get better "reception" Then again, using that logic, one would think ISTC would have the technology to be able to break in at the preshow without static!

Well it really doesn't matter how advanced we are. You just can't speed up sound of slow light.

 

[CTXRover]

Originally posted by pan11435



Well it really doesn't matter how advanced we are. You just can't speed up sound of slow light. [/B]

yet :lol:

All of this wave stuff is making my head hurt :lol:. After FOUR college semesters of Physics and two semesters of Physical Chemistry, one would think I would have figured this out I can't believe all got A's in all of them, I don't think I learned a thing :lol:

 

[MrNonacho]

Originally posted by pan11435
Yes they are part of the electromagnetic spectrum, however they do travel at different speeds. Think about this.. Some planes and travel at or above the speed of sound which creates the sonic boom . However nothing man made can travel anywher near the speed of light. And probably never will. So in space there would be a delay.

The speed of sound really has no bearing on the issue. We don't communicate with spacecraft by shouting at the sky. Even if we could create a sound loud enough on Earth to be heard near the moon, outside of the Earth's atmosphere there's no air or other medium for the sound waves to travel through.

The AV signal would be broadcast as radio waves, not sound waves. There'd be a delay in receiving the signal of a little more than a second, but there shouldn't be a sync issue. Think of the Apollo TV broadcasts from on/near the moon. They were in sync.

Here's a link that explains the difference:
http://www.bro.lsu.edu/radio/Classroom/06.Radio Versus Sound Waves/Radio_Versus_Sound_Waves.htm

 

[DisneyCane]

The only way the audio and video would be out of sync if they were sent in different bit streams that were compressed separately in a very poorly designed system. If that were the case, they audio would probably get there first because there is less decompression to perform. Of course, the system would be designed properly so that everything is in sync.

As stated above, both audio and video will be delayed, but they will both be delayed together.

 

[dizpins14]

but the premise is that you are in a simulator training for a Mission to Mars so there shouldn't be a delay between the control room and the simulator 500 feet apart from each other.......

 

[jcraycraft]

Got to love all this technical talk.... going to have to break out some of my old Elec Eng books :lol:

 

[ToTBellHop]

Originally posted by dizpins14
but the premise is that you are in a simulator training for a Mission to Mars so there shouldn't be a delay between the control room and the simulator 500 feet apart from each other.......

They are simulating you as being 100s of thousands of miles apart.

 

[Dean[AU]]

to the control room thats controling the simulator?

 

[ToTBellHop]

Originally posted by Dean[AU]
to the control room thats controling the simulator?

You are going to Mars...

 

[Covnut]

But its not like in real simulators they make a fake delay to be more realistic. This is supposed to be a simulator. It is not themed to a real spaceship.

 

[MouseRight]

....WOOOOOO Stop The Ride I want to get off.

1st - I am totally impressed with all the technical knowledge being thrown around here. I hated Physics.

2nd - I am totally impressed by the obervations of MrNonacho
that started this thread. How he saw those details while riding this ride is impressive. Especially since I had to close my eyes as soon as the ride started weightlessness!!!!

3rd - I mentioned in an earlier post that I thought the ride story should not have been a simulation but a real mission to Mars and I was told that the simulation idea was better because you couldn't create a real ride to Mars in 5 minutes. Now you guys are picking apart the simulation as not being real enough - Go Figure.

4th - I am guilty of this myself sometimes - but you guys are taking this stuff way too seriously. :animwink: :animwink: