A Casino Near Disneyland?

cherrynegra

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SANTA ANA — Some Garden Grove officials wants to build a Las Vegas- style gambling and entertainment resort just blocks from Disneyland, it was reported today.

As word emerged that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was preparing to sign a deal that would allow an Indian casino in the Bay Area -- the first in an urban area -- officials told the Los Angeles Times they had had talks with a San Diego County tribe and Las Vegas mogul Steve Wynn to build a similar project.

The city's proposal calls for Garden Grove to sell up to 45 acres on tourist-rich Harbor Boulevard to the Mesa Grande Band of Mission Indians, which would build a mega-resort on the property, The Times reported.

Garden Grove City Manager Matt Fertal told The Times his city, which has long struggled to cash in on its proximity to Disneyland, envisioned a resort that would include restaurants, shopping and live entertainment comparable to the best in Las Vegas.

"We have the opportunity to bring in the most premier resort developer to Orange County and create an attraction unlike anything else in California," Fertal told the newspaper. "If people want to focus on just the gaming, then they're being very shortsighted."

City officials told The Times they met with Wynn earlier this year to discuss the idea and had pitched it to representatives of the governor.

Wynn, who built the Bellagio, Mirage and Treasure Island casinos on the Las Vegas Strip, confirmed the meeting but said the talks were "based on hypothesis on top of hypothesis." As yet, Wynn said in a statement quoted by The Times, "there are no negotiations."

The tribe and the city are eyeing a parcel on Harbor Boulevard, just south of Disneyland, that the city has placed in its redevelopment zone, The Times reported.

But Casino industry analysts and local officials told The Times they doubted the deal would be approved. Already, there is significant opposition, including from Garden Grove Mayor Bruce Broadwater, who said a casino could attract crime to an area once frequented by prostitutes.
 

imagineer boy

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NOOOO!!!!!! Disney seriousely needs to do something about this! A casino near by would be very un disney like. As they said, it would definately attract more crime in the area and an increase in drunk drivers perobably. Disney needs to put a stop to this! Come on Arnold, you should know better than to allow this. :mad: :fork:
 

cherrynegra

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What Happens in Garden Grove, Stays in Garden Grove

Hey if a west-coast International Drive didn't get the tourist development dollars flowing to this Orange County 'burb, perhaps a Vegas-style casino resort will.

By Robert Niles
Posted via 209.178.189.203 on August 18, 2004 at 9:46 PM (MST)

At least Garden Grove's setting its sights a little higher. That is, if you prefer the non-stop commercial tackiness of the Las Vegas Strip over the non-stop commercial tackiness of Orlando's International Drive.

Too bad for Garden Grove that Walt Disney's grad students tabbed Anaheim as the best site for Walt's little amusement park. Ever since, the pols and developers in Garden Grove have watched with growing envy as its neighbor to the north banked billions in tax dollars from Disneyland's tourists. But jealousy's a great motivator. So Garden Grove's crafted one plan after another to siphon tourists -- and their money -- from Anaheim.

Of course, the Walt Disney Company's been driving tourists from Anaheim for several years. Garden Grove had slated a 70-acre theme park for its International Drive West [TPI coverage], its plan from two years ago to duplicate Orlando-style fern bars, mini-golf courses and T-shirt shops along Harbor Boulevard in an effort to suck the remaining dollars from local tourists' wallets. But now that city fathers have seen how well Disney's underdeveloped park has managed to scare visitors away from the area, they have changed course and leaked plans to go after a casino resort to anchor their planned tourist corridor instead.

Look, Mickey's a world-class talent at pl__________g its guests. But Disney's running a lemonade stand when compared to the money-s__________g power of a Las Vegas casino. No one's queuing up to borrow 10 grand from Scrooge McDuck so they can give it back betting the over on the body count at Pirates of the Caribbean. A T-shirt shop's not gonna have much to collect from Garden Grove's tourists once its casino gets through with them. Especially when Garden Grove's rumored casino partner is Vegas impresario Steve Wynn.

To quote one TPI reader, "when in Vegas, always bet on black... and always bet on Steve Wynn." A Wynn casino, typically larded with excesses like Picassos and Maserati dealerships, doesn't settle for anyone's leftovers. Not even Disneyland's. So scratch this plan as just another attempt to build a better parasite. If Garden Grove's serious, the city's aiming a billion-dollar attack on Disneyland and Anaheim's family-friendly theme park economy.

Expect left-leaning Disney CEO Michael Eisner to get very chummy with California's Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger if Garden Grove's plan seems even close to getting state approval. (The governor would have to okay the sale of Garden Grove land to a California Indian tribe to enable casino gambling in the city.) Neither Disney nor Anaheim would accept quietly the development of a Steve Wynn casino within blocks of their billion-dollar tourist investment.

So how will Garden Grove react? The city's been craving Anaheim's visitors for years. It seems unlikely that it would just abandon this plan once Disney and Anaheim try to apply some political heat. Who knows? Maybe Garden Grove would cut a deal. We'll drop the whole casino thing if you promise to help us get our International Drive.

Gee, you don't think maybe that was the plan all along?

Anybody wanna buy a T-shirt?
 

bryon1

New Member
This article will help clarify whats going on. It appears that this whole story is based upon "what if" situations.

Dont worry, even IF and thats a BIG "IF" just to get the land into the tribes name and then to get OKed by the Federal Gov. takes years....Even "IF" Arnold would still have to OK the compact between the tribes and the govn. (Theres a tribe trying now for a year and a half for the Victorville area (about 45 min. North on I -15 ironicly to VEGAS) to place a casino based upon old records that the tribe used to live in Victorville.

And even IF they get the final OK and IF that land is the land theyve been talking about on Harbor, Garden Grove would have to widen streets and the horible Harbor/22freeway access area, lots more infrastructure than what was done for DCA.

Disney could say that a Casino wouldnt be a "resort" fit for the area but that was their fault for not streaching the "resort theming" into Garden Grove.

But, think about it....see ya latter kids Im, not going to Disneyland Im going to the CASINO!!!! Maybe to compete DCA could be turned in Disneys CASINO of America!!

Wonder what land prices did over the day?

(heres the article)


Mesa Grande approached about casino in urban area

Tribe near Ramona talks with Garden Grove official
By Chet Barfield
STAFF WRITER
August 19, 2004
Exploring a long-shot development proposition, an Orange County city manager went tribe-shopping The Mesa Grande Indian band doesn't have a state gambling compact, and its isolated reservation northeast of Ramona wouldn't draw much casino traffic. But tribal officials agreed to meet with Garden Grove City Manager Matt Fertal and Las Vegas resort mogul Steve Wynn to discuss the possibility of developing a hotel-casino in the city near Disneyland.

That's about as far as it went, or is likely to go, city officials said.
"It was more like walking around kicking the tires," Garden Grove Assistant City Manager Les Jones said yesterday. "Our staff was just in the process of gathering information: What does it take to do it? Is there an interested tribe? What does the governor require?"

Fertal could not be reached yesterday, but Jones said the city manager met Wynn at a convention in Las Vegas in May. They talked about Garden Grove's budget pinch and its efforts to redevelop a commercial area near Disneyland.

Jones said Wynn, who has developed some of Las Vegas' biggest hotels, suggested the possibility of a Garden Grove resort with stores, entertainment and other attractions. He said it also might include a casino if an Indian tribe was a partner.

Tribes can get off-reservation lands put into federal trust for a casino if they clear three hurdles: support from local residents and governing bodies; approval by the governor; and concurrence of the U.S. Interior secretary.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has said he doesn't want off-reservation casinos proliferating in urban areas. But he also doesn't want the state to shut the door on cities or counties that might want one.

The Garden Grove city manager called several tribes and connected with Mesa Grande, Jones said, adding he doesn't know when or how that happened. He said a hotel-casino was one of many ideas the city's development staff has explored.

"Every time we hear about a proposal, we look into it," Jones said. "We've met with Universal Studios. We've met with MGM Grand and all the major theme parks. We even had a proposal from the country of Jordan to put a museum along Harbor Boulevard."

Jones said the idea of a hotel-casino never ripened into a proposal to bring before the City Council. Garden Grove Mayor Bruce Broadwater said he and a majority of the five-member council would strongly oppose any such plan.

"I don't believe the public or the city of Garden Grove wants a casino," Broadwater said. "The truth of the matter is, it's never ever going to happen."

Mesa Grande tribal leaders did not return calls for comment. Wynn's Las Vegas office said the developer has no partnership with the 600-member tribe or any other one.

"The common denominator was the city" of Garden Grove, said Denise Randazzo, public relations vice president for Wynn Resorts.

"It was strictly speculative," Randazzo said. "It was kind of a hypothesis on top of a hypothesis."
The leader of a watchdog group that monitors casino issues said increasing numbers of off-reservation projects are being pursued statewide. Cheryl Schmit of Stand Up for California said the push is coming from tribes in remote locations, cities looking for a budget fix and developers looking to play matchmaker.

"Some of these city councils can be so easily seduced," Schmit said. "They see this as the new gold rush."
 

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