News Josh D’Amaro Named Next CEO of The Walt Disney Company

[Tha Realest]

https://www.ft.com/content/9ff5697f-2237-49a4-8deb-e525771dda9e

 

[Trauma]

I have a feeling we are about to see some wild discounts.

 

[BrianLo]

And you’ll see a straight downward drop as they rush zootopia 3-5 out

When have the animated labels ever rushed out a sequel? Just once with Toy Story 2. They are not Illumination or Dreamworks.

Fast will be 7 years later. Typical will be 9-12 years. To get to five we are talking 3 decades.

Now a live action film… ew.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

When have the animated labels ever rushed out a sequel? Just once with Toy Story 2. They are not Illumination or Dreamworks.

Fast will be 7 years later. Typical will be 9-12 years. To get to five we are talking 3 decades.

Now a live action film… ew.

One case where time works for and against them…

Not the case when it takes 4 years to build a roller coaster

 

[denyuntilcaught]

Disney's quality and image rot? This on the heals of Zootopia 2 becoming their highest grossing animated film of all time and 9th highest grossing film of all time?

The Kardashians are also popular and rake in billions, but I don’t equate them to quality.

 

[Stripes]

The Kardashians are also popular and rake in billions, but I don’t equate them to quality.

On top of the incredible box office success, Zootopia 2 was nominated for an Oscar for best animated feature, and frankly, it should have won, but the Academy has a bias against sequels. Z2 actually did win the BAFTA equivalent.

I feel like that’s as close as you can get to an objective indicator of quality.

 

[denyuntilcaught]

On top of the incredible box office success, Zootopia 2 was nominated for an Oscar for best animated feature, and frankly, it should have won, but the Academy has a bias against sequels. Z2 actually did win the BAFTA equivalent.

I feel like that’s as close as you can get to an objective indicator of quality.

Okay, now do Moana 2 (and before you mention the Golden Globe nom, let's remember that Emily in Paris has also been nominated for a Globe...) Or the lackluster response to the live-action Moana trailer drop. Or the collective "that was nice, but was that necessary?" reaction to Toy Story 4? Or the "oh, sure, I guess that'll be okay" reaction to the Incredibles 3 announcement?

You can cherry pick and argue about the merits of the individual films, but box office isn't a measure of quality. Z2 was fantastic and absolutely worth the accolades, but when zooming out, it's still part of Disney's increasingly concerning inability to produce new stories and reliance on sequels to pull people in.

That's what is referred to when quality and image rot is mentioned, at least in my perspective. It's a massive red flag when a studio's annual slate is made up of 90% sequels. And when they do pump out an original film a la Wish? Well, remember when we all wished they hadn't?

Rot.

 

[eddie104]

Disney's increasingly concerning inability to produce new stories and reliance on sequels to pull people in.

Half of this statement is true and other half I have to question if it’s Disney’s ability or the public’s reluctance to new ideas/stories.

They definitely need to market their original stories better. However I look at something like elemental which was pushed like crazy and people were very skeptical to go see it.

But these are the times we living in with social media and attention spans being very little.

 

[Kamikaze]

Okay, now do Moana 2 (and before you mention the Golden Globe nom, let's remember that Emily in Paris has also been nominated for a Globe...) Or the lackluster response to the live-action Moana trailer drop. Or the collective "that was nice, but was that necessary?" reaction to Toy Story 4? Or the "oh, sure, I guess that'll be okay" reaction to the Incredibles 3 announcement?

You can cherry pick and argue about the merits of the individual films, but box office isn't a measure of quality. Z2 was fantastic and absolutely worth the accolades, but when zooming out, it's still part of Disney's increasingly concerning inability to produce new stories and reliance on sequels to pull people in.

That's what is referred to when quality and image rot is mentioned, at least in my perspective. It's a massive red flag when a studio's annual slate is made up of 90% sequels. And when they do pump out an original film a la Wish? Well, remember when we all wished they hadn't?

Rot.

People at large are obessed with nostalgia and things they know. They don't like change or new things. This isn't only media, its literally every facet of life. You can't blame Disney (or any other studio for that).

 

[HMF]

The Kardashians are also popular and rake in billions, but I don’t equate them to quality.

and Honey Boo Boo was supposedly on "The Learning Channel".

 

[Stripes]

Okay, now do Moana 2 (and before you mention the Golden Globe nom, let's remember that Emily in Paris has also been nominated for a Globe...) Or the lackluster response to the live-action Moana trailer drop. Or the collective "that was nice, but was that necessary?" reaction to Toy Story 4? Or the "oh, sure, I guess that'll be okay" reaction to the Incredibles 3 announcement?

Moana 2 was originally a Disney+ series that morphed into a film at the direction of executives that saw the box office potential. Toy Story 4 was a great film and in no way indicative of “rot.” Just because people loved the ending of TS3 doesn’t take anything away from 4. I think a lot of people are hyped and excited for TS5 as the story’s premise sounds perfect for the current cultural moment. And…A LOT of people are super pumped for Incredibles 3, where are you hearing the lackluster enthusiasm?

From Pixar: Soul, Luca, Elemental, Inside Out 2, and Hoppers, have all been fantastic films (4 of the 5 are original stories). WDAS has definitely been a lot more hit and miss recently, but there has also been a recent change at the top with Jared Bush taking over from Jennifer Lee. Personally, I think Bush will be a much better captain of the ship.

It's a massive red flag when a studio's annual slate is made up of 90% sequels.

This is obviously an exaggeration because no distributor, to my knowledge, has an annual slate that’s 90% sequels or anywhere close to that. Well, maybe Paramount, I’ll have to check. But, in any event, the lackluster box office performance of original films has plagued the entire industry. Original successes have become the rare exception, not just for Disney but for the entire industry.

 

[HMF]

This is obviously an exaggeration because no distributor, to my knowledge, has an annual slate that’s 90% sequels or anywhere close to that. Well, maybe Paramount, I’ll have to check. But, in any event, the lackluster box office performance of original films has plagued the entire industry. Original successes have become the rare exception, not just for Disney but for the entire industry.

Having as many sequels as Disney does when their founder specifically said he didn't believe in sequels is quite a fascinating contradiction.

 

[Stripes]

Having as many sequels as Disney does when their founder specifically said he didn't believe in sequels is quite a fascinating contradiction.

I think it’s time we can move on from asking what Walt would do, but if you ask me Walt would’ve likely sacrificed his opposition to sequels in order to keep more of his workers employed, given the business environment.

Can you tell me the percentage of franchise films from WDAS and Pixar over the past 5 years and compare that to their competitors?

 

[HMF]

I think it’s time we can move on from asking what Walt would do, but if you ask me Walt would’ve likely sacrificed his opposition to sequels in order to keep more of his workers employed, given the business environment.

Can you tell me the percentage of franchise films from WDAS and Pixar over the past 5 years and compare that to their competitors?

Disney should hire you to run their PR department, you would fit right in. It's one thing to restrict yourself to only thinking what Walt would do and having it stifle creativity. It is another thing to throw out his philosophy and disregard his legacy entirely. The current WDC has decided to go with the latter unfortunately and it shows unless something he said gives them a convenient excuse to defend unpopular ideas such as "Disneyland will never be completed as long as there is imagination left in the world." Despite the fact that with the upper brass at Disney, to quote Dr.Nigel Channing "There is not a lot going on upstairs imagination-wise."

 

[Stripes]

It is another thing to throw out his philosophy and disregard his legacy entirely.

I think Walt’s philosophy was to bring the greatest in family entertainment to as many people as possible. You can’t do that if you go bankrupt or are forced to fire your greatest storytellers.

 

[ManicMillennial]

The whole “too many sequels” debate is fascinating because I wholeheartedly agree with the argument but when a new original movie comes out it often tanks because no one bothers to go see it in theaters. I can understand why because movie theaters have become over priced with a diminished quality of experience but if you want studios to make certain kinds of movies then you have to give those movies your money.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The whole “too many sequels” debate is fascinating because I wholeheartedly agree with the argument but when a new original movie comes out it often tanks because no one bothers to go see it in theaters. I can understand why because movie theaters have become over priced with a diminished quality of experience but if you want studios to make certain kinds of movies then you have to give those movies your money.

The whole "too many sequels" debate is fascinating to me because extremely popular TV/Cable series that go on for years, well... each episode is a sequel.

People don't seem to mind that.

 

[SamusAranX]

The whole "too many sequels" debate is fascinating to me because extremely popular TV/Cable series that go on for years, well... each episode is a sequel.

People don't seem to mind that.

Apples to oranges.

You can debate why exactly til the Clarabelle’s come home, but TV shows can sustain quality and longevity better then film sequels. They eventually run out of steam, and I say this as a jilted Law and Order, Simpsons, and Survivor fan. Those shows should have ended years ago, and its pains me saying that.

 

[Pizza Moon]

Honestly, what I’d like to see from Josh at WDW if I’m feeling like he’s going to be amazing


2027 Tropical Americas
2027 New Animal Kingdom Lagoon Night Show

2028 Monstropolis
2028 SSE Redo

2029 Cars: Piston Peak
2029 Space Mountain Redo
2029 Rise becomes “Rise of the Rebels”

2030 Villains Land
2030 Peter Pan’s Flight Update
2030 Tower of Terror DLP-style Update

2031 New Figment Ride + Theater Show at EPCOT
2031 Tomorrowland Speedway Permanently closes

2032 Third Avatar or Lion King ride at AK
2032 Kalli River Rapids gets an update
2032 Toy Story Mania graphic/computers update (but keep existing, outstanding gameplay intact, with minimal alterations as not to mess it up).

2033 New Hollywood Studios Land
2033 MK Moana/Lilo and Stitch/Aladdin ride on the Fire Mountain plot next to Jungle Cruise?
2034 Wonders of Life reopens as a new Health Pavilion with an Inside Out dark ride.
2034 New World Showcase Pavilion (ie. Greece with a Hercules dark ride)

2035 Zootopia Land opens North of Kalli River Rapids

2036 EPCOT Crush’s Coaster ride next to the Seas opens

2037 Wall-E ride + Tomorrowland updates?

2038 Galaxy’s Edge gets a third ride (a coaster)
2038 Expedition Everest finally fixes the Yeti, totally replacing it with a brand new figure alongside a major refurbishment of the ride as a whole

 

[eddie104]

Honestly, what I’d like to see from Josh at WDW if I’m feeling like he’s going to be amazing


2027 Tropical Americas
2027 New Animal Kingdom Lagoon Night Show

2028 Monstropolis
2028 SSE Redo

2029 Cars: Piston Peak
2029 Space Mountain Redo
2029 Rise becomes “Rise of the Rebels”

2030 Villains Land
2030 Peter Pan’s Flight Update
2030 Tower of Terror DLP-style Update

2031 New Figment Ride + Theater Show at EPCOT
2031 Tomorrowland Speedway Permanently closes

2032 Third Avatar or Lion King ride at AK
2032 Kalli River Rapids gets an update
2032 Toy Story Mania graphic/computers update (but keep existing, outstanding gameplay intact, with minimal alterations as not to mess it up).

2033 New Hollywood Studios Land
2033 MK Moana/Lilo and Stitch/Aladdin ride on the Fire Mountain plot next to Jungle Cruise?
2034 Wonders of Life reopens as a new Health Pavilion with an Inside Out dark ride.
2034 New World Showcase Pavilion (ie. Greece with a Hercules dark ride)

2035 Zootopia Land opens North of Kalli River Rapids

2036 EPCOT Crush’s Coaster ride next to the Seas opens

2037 Wall-E ride + Tomorrowland updates?

2038 Galaxy’s Edge gets a third ride (a coaster)
2038 Expedition Everest finally fixes the Yeti, totally replacing it with a brand new figure alongside a major refurbishment of the ride as a whole

They have been pretty aggressive with the refurbs as of late so some of these are probably coming sooner rather than later.

Here is mine for Epcot….

• SSE Redo
• Imagination Rebuild{Tokyo SM style)
• Wonders of Life turned into Inside Out
• Mary Poppins Dark Ride/UK Pavillion Refresh
• 1-2 New rides added to World Showcase
• New Country
• Major refreshes to Living with The Land and Nemo

For HS

1. Find a way to add 1-2 new lands by expanding the park.
2. One them being the Incredibles
3. Refurbish TOT and keep the same theme.

For AK

• Lion King or Jungle Book attractions
• Pandora Expansion
• Australian themed land

For MK

1. SM Refurb
2. Moana land into Adventureland expansion pad
3. Monsters and Stich Replacements
4. New Daytime Parade
5. Clone the BATB ride from Tokyo