MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Agent H]

Is ToT one of our “insider” posters? Maybe I’m just out of the loop…

He’s mentioned lots of things about Disney starlight: dream the night away.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I am also not buying into the notion that this will help capacity, crowds, or the perception of feeling crowded/busy in MK. It will be negligible and nothing in either piece of art shows us otherwise. What we do not is that we lose one of the few remaining retreats in MK to step away for a moment (and a bunch of other stuff I don't care to reiterate).

It’s gonna make things feel a lot more cramped and less open.

 

[Ayla]

I say this with the best will in the world - you do not know what you are talking about here. I don’t know your age - it’s none of my business - but if you’re in college, take some cultural history courses.

According to their profile, 24.

 

[CoastalElite64]

I have mixed feelings but a change was needed.

 

[Ayla]

Halloween starts in mid August. Are you saying it will be shut down by then? Most likely they close RoA and TSI in Sept, no?

It was announced today it will be closed starting July 7th. That is why the thread exploded.

 

[hopemax]

However, I just really cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would see an overhaul of Frontierlsnd to be a bad thing. Magic Kingdom’s has needed it for decades. It has been tired and stagnant for my whole lifetime and beyond, and the same cannot be said for other versions.

It's what they are choosing to do with it. Cars setting is "Contemporary" in an area that is not. If Disney had chosen to refresh with Brother Bear, actual Ranger Woodlore, Humphrey and the bears from the In the Bag animated short, Camp Woodchuck Donald & his nephews from Tokyo Disneyland, and / or to launch a brand new Frontier / Wilderness franchise "coming soon to a theater near you" or just for the Magic Kingdom, in a timeless setting, people would be feeling a whole lot better about a Frontierland refresh project.

 

[JD80]

How about Avatar?

There is a REASON almost every single amusement and theme park has a “western” area. The archetype still resonates even if the aesthetic doesn’t. It’s difficult to overstate how engrained the myth of the west is in America, for better and for worse.

And as for unpopular aesthetics - you don’t get a lot of “jungle adventure” movies anymore, either…

Avatar is not a western.

 

[JD80]

Oh, I know that.
Will we get a river or a creek?
Or will we get nothing?
Will we really be looking at a waterfall from the station?
We'll see.

This is a healthy way of thinking about it.

 

[Kamikaze]

It was announced today it will be closed starting July 7th. That is why the thread exploded.

I only saw the new art & the RR blurb, thats what I thought everyone was discussing. The dates weren't on the last couple pages of comments.

 

[monothingie]

I promise you this is not the case. Americans at large in this day and age do not hold any importance in their hearts for the frontier myth. If they think about it at all, they are hostile toward it. The way we as a collective read our past has changed and grown a great deal over the years, and many no longer see that time as something jovial or exciting or celebratory. Important developmentally? Sure. An ideal or something stemming with pride and importance to identity? No. And it has been no for years now.

Does anyone know if Yellowstone was a popular show?

 

[Casper Gutman]

Avatar is not a western.

Was Dancing With Wolves a western?

What are the key themes of Avatar?

 

[Incomudro]

This is a healthy way of thinking about it.

Thank you.
If they really deliver this could look good.

 

[LittleBuford]

I think people desperately want to believe they have some level of influence despite the newer descriptions of what's happening matching pretty much exactly what people guessed was happening based on the original concept art. It is perhaps reassuring to hear them say they're caring for the sightlines, but this all barely qualifies as new information.

This is unfair. I never expected the project to be cancelled or significantly altered in response to fan complaints, yet I cannot deny the differences between the two pieces of concept art. One of these differences, as I noted in my earlier reply to you, includes the joining of the waterfall to the riverfront, which is not what the earlier concept art showed or even suggested. Again, how much faith should be put into the new design is another question, but I can’t understand why you keep denying that it is, in certain respects, different from what they previously publicised.

 

[celluloid]

The storytelling is not the setting island of a funny carte blanche.

Typically WDI prides itself in the setting telling the story.
If we can just put anything anywhere...

 

[JD80]

And again, no one is claiming cowboys are hot properties. The point is that the panoply of tropes, values, and ways of thinking that sprang from the frontier myth still undergird much of American ideology and media, even if the trappings have shifted. The wilderness against the machine, the “civilizing” impulse, the lone hero standing against injustice, etc… I’m being vague here for a lot of reasons, but there is a LOT of literature on this topic, both academic and popular, you can seek out.

Was Dancing With Wolves a western?

What are the key themes of Avatar?

Westerns borrow a lot of common story tropes. Just because Westerns use them doesn't mean that all stories that use them are Westerns.

But non of this matters. Frontierland in Disneyland and again in Disneyworld was about Davy Crocket and Cowboys and Indians. No one cares about that anymore. So now Frontierland is being molded into a wilderness adventure.

 

[LittleBuford]

I wish people would stop mentioning the age of some of our younger posters. Some of the silliest comments in the forum have been authored by those of us in the over-40 category!

 

[JD80]

This is unfair. I never expected the project to be cancelled or significantly altered in response to fan complaints, yet I cannot deny the differences between the two pieces of concept art. One of these differences, as I noted in my earlier reply to you, includes the joining of the waterfall to the riverfront, which is not what the earlier concept art showed or even suggested. Again, how much faith should be put into the new design is another question, but I can’t understand why you keep denying that it is, in certain respects, different from what they previously publicised.

I wouldn't read too much into the differences concept art for D23 and a cartoon representation of it.

 

[Smoky]

I have mixed feelings but a change was needed.

Why?

 

[Gusey]

It’s gonna make things feel a lot more cramped and less open.

The main Frontierland pathway we know today will likely feel a bit more cramped as more guests will bother to visit, and more importantly stay, in Frontierland, rather than use it as a way to get from BTM to Haunted Mansion. But, what should help is the new pathway from BTM to Haunted Mansion around the back of the Cars attraction, so guests will have multiple options to get from A to B

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

Does anyone know if Yellowstone was a popular show?

Boardwalk Empire is also a popular show. Does that mean that everyone is walking around with a secret love of Prohibition era New Jersey?