MK Frontierland Shootin' arcade to close and replaced with DVC Member lounge

BrianLo

BrianLo

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
My point was that they took out existing rooms to do timeshares…the size of the room is irrelevant from a business perspective

Only two dvc “additions” were actually additions of overall inventory

Kidani and the grand Floridian dvc building
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And Poly Island Tower, and phase 2/3 of Saratoga.

Riviera and Bay Lake were both net positive.

Lakeshore lodge is forthcoming.


I don’t demean your point that hotel growth has been glacially slow compared to the past. Though arguably that was a criticism of Eisner’s hotel growth strategy the resort needed to catch up to. The proceeding decades grew hotel inventory too quickly.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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BrianLo said:
And Poly Island Tower, and phase 2/3 of Saratoga.

Riviera and Bay Lake were both net positive.

Lakeshore lodge is forthcoming.


I don’t demean your point that hotel growth has been glacially slow compared to the past. Though arguably that was a criticism of Eisner’s hotel growth strategy the resort needed to catch up to. The proceeding decades grew hotel inventory too quickly.
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Timeshares are not “growth”…

Take a look at the resell market…and it hasn’t even gotten “bad” yet

They’re getting pretty damn close to the end of the runway here.

And the Eisner strategy worked…those rooms would be 99% filled…if not for 20 years of terrible park strategy…to compliment 20 years of bad media strategy.

I thought it would take at least 10 years after the heart monitor flatlined on Bob for most to realize that my “insane” prophecies were true…
…it’s well ahead of that curve.

You can’t build your foundation on quicksand…and that’s what he’s doing
 
BrianLo

BrianLo

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Timeshares are not “growth”…

Take a look at the resell market…and it hasn’t even gotten “bad” yet

They’re getting pretty damn close to the end of the runway here.

And the Eisner strategy worked…those rooms would be 99% filled…if not for 20 years of terrible park strategy…to compliment 20 years of bad media strategy.

I thought it would take at least 10 years after the heart monitor flatlined on Bob for most to realize that my “insane” prophecies were true…
…it’s well ahead of that curve.

You can’t build your foundation on quicksand…and that’s what he’s doing
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Okie dokie. Just pointing out you forgot about several timeshares, it wasn't anything more.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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BrianLo said:
Okie dokie. Just pointing out you forgot about several timeshares, it wasn't anything more.
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I didn’t forget anything

My point is and always will be that removing rack rooms - which service the normal market that Disney can not succeed without and never will - for timeshares is never a victory

Building one next to it?…sure…ok

But not replacement. It’s a softening in wide appeal anyway you slice it.

They took 100 or so rooms out for bay lake…I’ll give you that one

They demolished 384 at Caribbean…a completely flawed property since it opened (cause they never repeated it again) and slapped timeshares in it…and it was never up to the standard. That dog don’t hunt

Took out space at grand Floridian, poly, animal kingdom, and half of wilderness lodge (was just there) for these shenanigans. It’s the same plan that won’t work. Putting a bandaid on a flesh wound.

And the whole trailer thing at fort wilderness just should NEVER be brought up…like ever

The new monstrosity going up? You think they’ll book 200 rooms 365 days as year at whatever price they’re gonna try?
Don’t trust that for a second.

Saratoga is sprawl…so that one is what it is.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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peter11435 said:
CBR has many flaws. But kinda weird to say they never repeated it again when they learned from CBR and built three more moderate resorts.
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They fixed most of the “flaws”…mainly the separate checkin and service buildings that was an operational nightmare (from experience when I was a wee lass), the 7 stops on a huge layout that required an internal shuttle…and undersized facilities for 2112 rooms.

Now they didn’t fix all of them. Dixie was also way too big…Coronado too…but the Achilles heel ones were never repeated.
 
peter11435

peter11435

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
They fixed most of the “flaws”…mainly the separate checkin and service buildings that was an operational nightmare (from experience when I was a wee lass), the 7 stops on a huge layout that required an internal shuttle…and undersized facilities for 2112 rooms.

Now they didn’t fix all of them. Dixie was also way too big…Coronado too…but the Achilles heel ones were never repeated.
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Exactly. They learned from those flaws and didn’t repeat them. They even fixed that flaw at CBR eventually.
 
Fox&Hound

Fox&Hound

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Sorry if this had already been answered but how does this space work? Are you given a set amount of time before you leave or can you stay all day? If the latter, how do they move people through????
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Fox&Hound said:
Sorry if this had already been answered but how does this space work? Are you given a set amount of time before you leave or can you stay all day? If the latter, how do they move people through????
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We were there about 30 minutes after close last Saturday…and one of the managers happened to be there and let us take a peek for a second

Honestly…it’s as boring as you can get. Like the look of a sizzler with almost no details inside

Considering they finally got new seating in the Epcot one…this looks rather useless
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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donaldtoo said:
Did P. T. Barnum invent the timeshare…?! 🤔
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Well, usually no one gives away stuff for free. So, there is an initial and continuing cost.

*IF* you go to WDW yearly, and *IF* you stay at a deluxe resort every time, then Disney's "timeshare" is cheaper than doing that.

But it does commit you to going, or to try to sell off your points if you don't. And you might tire of a yearly WDW trip, or your financial status changes that you can't afford the yearly fee.

It's Disney's way of committing you to go every year.

If plopping down tens of thousands of dollars a year for entertainment makes one blink... it's not for you.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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MisterPenguin said:
Well, usually no one gives away stuff for free. So, there is an initial and continuing cost.

*IF* you go to WDW yearly, and *IF* you stay at a deluxe resort every time, then Disney's "timeshare" is cheaper that doing that.

But it does commit you to going, or to try to sell off your points if you don't. And you might tire of a yearly WDW trip, or your financial status changes that you can't afford the yearly fee.

It's Disney's way of committing you to go every year.

If plopping down tens of thousands of dollars a year for entertainment makes one blink... it's not for you.
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That was the point of the whole program. And it did work. But the math continues to move away from that.

Guess who made that call?
 

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