GhostHost1000
Premium Member
That is so wrong…
…they should obviously sell Mickey sippy cups for the toddlers alcohol
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MK New Beak and Barrel - Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge
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…they should obviously sell Mickey sippy cups for the toddlers alcohol
easyrowrdw
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I think your classifications could use some adjustments (italicized). And Saucers also has a height requirement though I wouldn’t say it’s thrilling
JD80
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Once you go beyond "is it a rollercoaster? is there a big drop?" it's subjective. But I wouldn't consider any of those attractions as thrill rides.
Animaniac93-98
Well-Known Member
I think that's part of the reason why they're fine building small bars that are managed by pre-determined time windows
They don't like to waste an inch of space or cent of operating cost on the idea that maybe having more staff or more seats would make things more comfortable for the guest and would enable more people to possibly participate.
They see any slack capacity or lingering visits as waste.
easyrowrdw
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There is a subjective element, for sure. Which is why I didn't say you were wrong or not very good at this. I would just have listed them differently
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It is subjective. But a Velocicoaster type coaster doesn't really speak to Disney's target audience. I know it's changed a bit, but the 16 to 25 group is more Uni and Busch. And I don't think that really bothers Disney too much because the disposable income isn't really there. And YES, there are exceptions. But for the most part that's what I've seen for several decades.
Once that group evolves and careers and families come into play, then it's back to Disney until the cycle repeats.
So, the "thrill" doesn't need to be extreme, just moderate. And I think that's an area where Disney excels
Tony the Tigger
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Exaggeration.
Nope. But thanks for playing.
Chi84
Premium Member
We've gone year after year to Food and Wine and never saw what you're describing. I'm not saying no one has ever gotten drunk there but I don't think Disney has let it get out of hand at Epcot and I seriously doubt they would allow it at MK.
JMcMahonEsq
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Walt it dead and worn food, and has been before WDW got its start. Why i appreciate what he did, what his “thoughts” were on running a business half a century ago have as much bearing on a modern business as my cats thoughts (I don’t have a cat.)You kind of make the best argument against it, with your argument for it. Other parks do it, why shouldn't Disney? Because that wasn't what Walt wanted, and it made the park unique.
If you(and I don't mean you specifically)can't spend the day at an amusement park without a beer, then you weren't really the kind of customer Walt wanted at the parks.
It makes you wonder, if they dialed back how easy it is to get drunk at the parks, would we see less crazy videos of fights and gross behavior? Maybe, maybe not.
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As to other parks I was referring to Epcott, Animal Kingdom, Hollywood Studios, Disney Land, all those parks that serve alcohol.
Club Cooloholic
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Stock is off its highs....and closing a good portion of your premier park to pay service to an IP that had its last cultural significance over a decade ago all while your competition is opening another gate just does not make much business sense, so maybe the current leadership has some worms in them too
It happens. More frequently than you think. Remember Alex Morgan? Not saying you’re going to encounter this every time you go. But when you’re with the family. It’s not great to experience. I’ve probably been in too close proximity with about a dozen or so of these over the past decade.
Again not frequent. But we’re not contemplating frequency here. I don’t think anybody can take a position that “Well. If it’s only happened to you five times, then it’s okay”.
Chi84
Premium Member
If it doesn't happen frequently at Food and Wine where you can buy alcohol at dozens of locations, why do you think a lounge at MK would be a problem?
Depends on how it evolves. I'm not saying the lounge is the problem. I'm not saying alcohol is the problem. The problem lies with a certain percentage that can't handle moderation and/or responsibility. I said before I could care less if MK sells alcohol so long as they are also prepared to deal with any issues it brings.
People have pointed to time limits, and that's fine. Doesn't eliminate the possibility of the problem, just limits the likelihood. Hopefully, when the allure wears off and it's not the shiny new toy, the time limit doesn't get extended to an hour and half. Or disappear altogether.
Chi84
Premium Member
If people are going to get drunk in a Disney park, they usually don't choose MK. I don't think a highly-themed pirates bar is going to change that but who knows.
This lounge sounds like it's going to be similar to Oga's or the Haunted Mansion lounge. They're both a lot of fun but I've not seen people hanging around drinking excessively. It's more of an experience and then out you go.
Sir_Cliff
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I generally agree they have leant more heavily toward thrill attractions in recent years, my sense is more that's because they are easy to market and produce more immediate attendance gains than a gentler, all-age attraction. I'm sceptical that this is a deliberate attempt to move away from/exclude families with children in favour of adults, but someone who knows their decision making may know better. It may also bite them in the long term.
I will say, though, that they obviously want adults to vacation there and have since Eisner started building out WDW, as that was the motivation behind things like Pleasure Island, the Boardwalk, and the Disney Institute. They talked about it a lot at the time. Maybe that has increased in recent years, or maybe it's a self-reinforcing dynamic that as more adults without kids come they keep adding more things to appeal to adults without kids.
None of that really changes the point about keeping older attractions and generally leaning into nostalgia/their heritage also being about appealing more to Disney Adults than young families. It's perfectly fine to personally like some of the things they do to appeal to that demographic and not others and to think some of those efforts are wiser than others. I just think if you're going to scoff at them appealing to Disney Adults then it's worth thinking about all the things they do to appeal to that demographic.
Got it. Do you know how many bars were at EPCOT when it opened? Somewhere around 10.
Do you know how many bars are at EPCOT now? Close to 30. And that doesn't include the F&W kiosks.
My personal preference - I don't want to see that growth pattern replicate for MK. And maybe it won't. Again, nothing against the lounges, nothing against serving alcohol. If they want to have a few lounges at MK, and they can control the behavior of anybody getting out of hand. Beautiful.
Animaniac93-98
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IMO the "Disney Adults" are the one who want the older, nostalgic attractions gone for newer IP rides with the characters they like. They buy the Orange Bird and retro-EPCOT merch as proof of their fandom, but can't articulate or really care about why those things ever existed in the first place.
Those same Disney adults probably wouldn't like Pleasure Island, Boardwalk or Disney Institute because nothing about those experiences was related to Disney movies or characters.
JMcMahonEsq
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As stock prices for Disney the company, a multi national organization with a lot of different offering as opposed to just WDW, meaning there isn’t a 1-1 correlation between Walt Disney world and the overall company, 1) I could care less and 2) if I wanted to get an analysis into the stock price/value of the company I think I would talk to experts not internet message board posters.
As to closing part of the premier park, what part of MK other than a run down small island that no one bothered to go to for years has been closed?
As to whatever is going on at Epic, I could give a flying poop. I don’t go there, and don’t care. And as to Disney caring, A) it hasn’t seemed to take a huge dip in their revenue and B) you realize no one cares in the board room if another company is making money, as long as it doesn’t take away your money. If epic generates more travel to Orlando and WDW benefits from increased tourism and travelers to the area, they don’t care if universal makes a bit more out of it