MK New Beak and Barrel - Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge

[networkpro]

Yep. Wonder how long until “Princesses Gentleman’s Club” opens on Boardwalk or Disney Springs.

Oh lets not raced to the bottom, there are plenty of former friends of princesses that have salacious OF accounts.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think they want higher turnover in these places than a table service would achieve. But they can and should do some of their table services to this level.

Doing things “to this level” prolongs dwell times and thus decreases turnover. They can’t do table service because people absolutely wouldn’t put up with being told to hurry up and get out.

 

[DisneyHead123]

I think a lot of us here are "Disney Adults" to some extent, but I guess part of the whole debate around The Beak & Barrel is whether Disney should be catering to adult fans of the park who might enjoy things like a themed bar rather than mostly families with children.

I would also gently note that the answer to that question may also touch upon how much they should consider nostalgia when keeping certain attractions vs what is relevant to younger kids. If you dismiss "Disney Adults" when it comes to this, it is worth asking how much of the discussion about changes to the parks and existing attractions is based around what the "families with kids" demographic will enjoy vs what the "Disney Adults" think.

There are some things that Disney Adults and Disney Moms disagree on, but wine is not one of them. Honestly I think it’s older fans, whose children are grown if they had them, who object more to this change.

 

[JohnD]

IKR! Looks nothing like the original 18th century design. Lost all of its character.

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I'm glad its going against the minimalist trend. I hear Disney was very close to a redesign of the WDW logo.

 

[Agent H]

Personally it doesn’t matter to me what the place sells. I want to go purely because it looks cool.

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

I'm glad its going against the minimalist trend. I hear Disney was very close to a redesign of the WDW logo.

Thankfully the pendulum is starting to swing in the other direction.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Is having bars everywhere like it's Halloween Horror Nights really generating significant revenue for Disney?

Or is the mark up on alcohol sales such that it's a low risk to set up a booth and bartender somewhere regardless of how much he or she actually sells?

It’s worth noting that HHN has cut way, way back on the availability and ease of access to booze over the last decade because of the problems it creates.

I’ll also point out again that Disney’s infatuation with alcohol is not motivated just by the profit from the sale - they want to lower guest inhibitions to encourage them to spend recklessly. I’d argue that’s a much more sinister angle that is worth keeping in mind.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I think a lot of us here are "Disney Adults" to some extent, but I guess part of the whole debate around The Beak & Barrel is whether Disney should be catering to adult fans of the park who might enjoy things like a themed bar rather than mostly families with children.

I would also gently note that the answer to that question may also touch upon how much they should consider nostalgia when keeping certain attractions vs what is relevant to younger kids. If you dismiss "Disney Adults" when it comes to this, it is worth asking how much of the discussion about changes to the parks and existing attractions is based around what the "families with kids" demographic will enjoy vs what the "Disney Adults" think.

I was wondering when someone was going to try this argument!

Obviously, there's a lot to say here. Without rattling on too long, the first and most obvious point is that Disney has generally NOT been removing attractions to build new ones that might appeal to families with children. That's the OPPOSITE of what they've been doing. Disney has shifted to an emphasis on thrill rides, many of which younger guests (and older guests, and disabled guests, and unusually shaped guests) CAN'T RIDE or are less likely to want to. In fact, the new round of bars is precisely keeping with this broader shift in attraction design philosophy that sees Disney shifting to appeal to "Disney Adults" to the exclusion of many age groups, going so far as to pander by building attractions that that cohort has been clamoring for like the door coaster or a villains land.

 

[plutofan15]

I’ll also point out again that Disney’s infatuation with alcohol is not motivated just by the profit from the sale - they want to lower guest inhibitions to encourage them to spend recklessly. I’d argue that’s a much more sinister angle that is worth keeping in mind.

Do you have proof of this dramatic "sinister" "infatuation" or is this another one of your conspiracy theories?

 

[MisterPenguin]

I was wondering when someone was going to try this argument!

Obviously, there's a lot to say here. Without rattling on too long, the first and most obvious point is that Disney has generally NOT been removing attractions to build new ones that might appeal to families with children. That's the OPPOSITE of what they've been doing. Disney has shifted to an emphasis on thrill rides, many of which younger guests (and older guests, and disabled guests, and unusually shaped guests) CAN'T RIDE or are less likely to want to. In fact, the new round of bars is precisely keeping with this broader shift in attraction design philosophy that sees Disney shifting to appeal to "Disney Adults" to the exclusion of many age groups, going so far as to pander by building attractions that that cohort has been clamoring for like the door coaster or a villains land.

It's not been (or going to be) only thrill rides. There's

• Ratatouille
• The new Encanto ride
• The updated DAK spinner into a carousel
• Updated shows of Zootopia and Little Mermaid
• The Piston Peak attraction for kids, whatever that may be
• The Green version of Mission:Space

It's not been exclusively thrill rides.

 

[Casper Gutman]

It's not been (or going to be) only thrill rides. There's

• Ratatouille
• The new Encanto ride
• The updated DAK spinner into a carousel
• Updated shows of Zootopia and Little Mermaid
• The Piston Peak attraction for kids, whatever that may be
• The Green version of Mission:Space

It's not been exclusively thrill rides.

Well, since I didn’t say “exclusively,” we’re not in disagreement. I talked about an “emphasis,” which your list containing several flats nicely demonstrates.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I’m actually surprised the Adventurers Club isn’t making a comeback now that you say that. It seems retrospectively a bit ahead of its time; it would be quite popular with millennials.

I guess when people pack themed bars with automated special effects, it's clear they don't need to hire actors to draw a crowd.

It would be great if they did a multi-use concept. Something where a club could be a basic bar most nights, but have ticketed shows on select nights.

I've always said that things like Trader Sam's and the Adventurer's Club are great for building brand loyalty. When I can walk out of something and say, that was something I can only do at Disney, it makes me want to come back.

 

[BrianLo]

Doing things “to this level” prolongs dwell times and thus decreases turnover. They can’t do table service because people absolutely wouldn’t put up with being told to hurry up and get out.

That’s exactly what I meant by my comment, if it wasn’t clear.

By can and should I meant from my own aspirational wish for a company that was focused on customer experience instead of margins and high turnover. Which they aren’t. But they should be.

So hence more bars instead with time-slots. Though not a knock on this specific venue.

 

[BrianLo]

I was wondering when someone was going to try this argument!

Obviously, there's a lot to say here. Without rattling on too long, the first and most obvious point is that Disney has generally NOT been removing attractions to build new ones that might appeal to families with children. That's the OPPOSITE of what they've been doing. Disney has shifted to an emphasis on thrill rides, many of which younger guests (and older guests, and disabled guests, and unusually shaped guests) CAN'T RIDE or are less likely to want to. In fact, the new round of bars is precisely keeping with this broader shift in attraction design philosophy that sees Disney shifting to appeal to "Disney Adults" to the exclusion of many age groups, going so far as to pander by building attractions that that cohort has been clamoring for like the door coaster or a villains land.

This is also what happens when the company has been externally encouraged to chase after Universal for 15 years.

Though I do think some of the alcohol trends are back flowing from the success they’ve seen on their cruise line.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

I was wondering when someone was going to try this argument!

Obviously, there's a lot to say here. Without rattling on too long, the first and most obvious point is that Disney has generally NOT been removing attractions to build new ones that might appeal to families with children. That's the OPPOSITE of what they've been doing. Disney has shifted to an emphasis on thrill rides, many of which younger guests (and older guests, and disabled guests, and unusually shaped guests) CAN'T RIDE or are less likely to want to. In fact, the new round of bars is precisely keeping with this broader shift in attraction design philosophy that sees Disney shifting to appeal to "Disney Adults" to the exclusion of many age groups, going so far as to pander by building attractions that that cohort has been clamoring for like the door coaster or a villains land.

There is not a Disney Adult in here who fell in love with Disney over an interesting cocktail. But I bet there are some that can root it in running around TSI looking for paintbrushes. The penny arcade, looking at ancient movie reels on ancient machines. Or taking a few shots at the animatronics I the shooting gallery.
So what is Disney today?
For many, especially those who can only afford to go maybe once every decade, it's a checklist. A march from attraction to attraction, following carefully cultivated touring plans. Dragging little ones behind heck or high water. I don't know if that makes for great trip.
Instead of offering heavily themed areas that are far more open and easy to walk through, that are just part of the scape, let's put it behind walls. The light saber experience, Star wars bar, this tavern. Exclusive experiences that only a small percentage of daily guests will be able to enjoy.

This push towards providing Disney Adults is fine and all but I don't know how it plays long term.
And especially this offering, it's a small venue so you are going to have people who won't be able to make it and and will be disappointed .

Btw, you want bars. Vegas and NOLA are much much more interesting to me to get drinks at.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Honestly, I don’t see how you can’t love what’s going on here. Even if you don’t drink alcohol, you would have a blast here sipping a mocktail.

 

[JD80]

I was wondering when someone was going to try this argument!

Obviously, there's a lot to say here. Without rattling on too long, the first and most obvious point is that Disney has generally NOT been removing attractions to build new ones that might appeal to families with children. That's the OPPOSITE of what they've been doing. Disney has shifted to an emphasis on thrill rides, many of which younger guests (and older guests, and disabled guests, and unusually shaped guests) CAN'T RIDE or are less likely to want to. In fact, the new round of bars is precisely keeping with this broader shift in attraction design philosophy that sees Disney shifting to appeal to "Disney Adults" to the exclusion of many age groups, going so far as to pander by building attractions that that cohort has been clamoring for like the door coaster or a villains land.

Since 2015 (10 years ago)
Navi River
Flight of Passage
Slinky Dog Dash
Alien Swirling Saucers
Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway
Rise of the Resistance
Millennium Falcon Smugglers Run
Remy
Guardians of the Galaxy
Tron

Where is this emphasis on Thrill Rides? I'm also not counting any shows or other entertainment (EPCOT movies, new firework shows, new parade etc). Also "new round of bars"? 1 adult only location out of how many? A pirate lounge?

You really aren't very good at this.

edit:
Not to mention upcoming attractions
Door Coaster
(ignoring the stage show and whatever will be in animation courtyard)
Piston Peak Ride 1
Piston Peak Ride 2
Villains Land Ride 1
Villains Land Ride 2
Encanto
Indy (half thrill?)
Carousel

 

[JD80]

That’s exactly what I meant by my comment, if it wasn’t clear.

By can and should I meant from my own aspirational wish for a company that was focused on customer experience instead of margins and high turnover. Which they aren’t. But they should be.

So hence more bars instead with time-slots. Though not a knock on this specific venue.

I was a bartender for a decade earlier in my life. You can easily get people to cycle in every 45 minutes. In fact most people will understand. There will always be people who want to push that, but generally you don't have to worry about it as longs as you have a well trained staff.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

First thing I have seen with actual commentary on the taste of any of the food and drinks.