MK New Beak and Barrel - Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I feel like the people who cry and moan about a theme park ride or river being taken out are most associated with the negative stereotype than someone who just... wants to check out a new hyper themed bar.

Yeah…you’re wrong

Was it you that said Disney was having a “fantastic year” on the books?

Are your reading the financial page of the onion?

 

[Disney Analyst]

What’s your issue here?

It looks like a well-themed bar.

It is.

But I think the members here who are generally upset with or hold disdain towards what Disney is these days, would never be happy over something like this. For them it’s further evidence of the downfall of Disney.

For many of us, it seems like an amazing place to hangout.

Different strokes. But would be nice if people could avoid teenage insults like “shill” over something people seem to like.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I have an idea for one. Here's my idea:

An interactive nightclub/theater hybrid set in the roaring 1930s. Guests mingle with a society of explorers who gather each evening to share stories, treasures, and tall tales.

You make it a two-story kinda “clubhouse” and theme it with artifacts, trophies, exotic masks, and odd things that have been collected.

You have some Cast Members play the roles of a varied lot of eccentric characters like say an absent-minded professor, a bold adventurer, etc. They could perform interactive musical/comedy sketches, maybe a “New Member Induction Ceremony”, and other stuff to keep people entertained.

The could also invent unique and ridiculous sounding names for drinks. Maybe even use one as a greeting of sorts. I'm just brainstorming here, but maybe something like "Kungaloosh".

Adventurers Club remains vastly superior to the likes of Trader Sam, Oga's and this new Pirate bar

Disney has yet to, and unlikely ever will, build as good an experience

They're now more likely to have something like the Library as a one off venue that everyone struggles to get into.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

If you think it’s absolutely beautiful, and well themed, then why would you think it’s strange that WDW would want to recreate something they have had success with in Olga’s, in a park that doesn’t have that type of location at all? I don’t care about what you find strange, or where you want to drink or not. Sure it’s your opinion and you are entitled to it, but it matters just about as much as my personal opinion that roller coasters aren’t good rides. Just because I don’t like them doesn’t mean I don’t objectively understand roller coasters are popular, and that Disney would be dumb to not provide such rides that serve a big part of its customer base. I have problems with any fool and their posts that just because they don’t like something, here Alcohol, that other people shouldn’t have the right to enjoy it, and that WDW shouldn’t offer it to a customer base who clearly would use the offering

He is wrong in the sense of his inane anti-alcohol puritan diatribes. Family events from baseball games, to parks, to restaurants, to family bbqs have involved alcohol since basically the dawn of time. Every other park offers alcohol, and have a single space in all of MK that would act as a mount for people who choose to use it, doest turn MK into hedonism II.

Finally as to comparisons with Olga’s or rain Forrest, I honestly don’t see the stretch of the comparison. I am not comparing them as far as being the same food offerings, but as “family” locations where you have kids with their parents, that are “themed” more towards kids than adults (A&V they are not) and that serve alcohol. Where’s your distinction? Is it that you can order non-alcoholic drinks at their places…you can do that at B&B. Is it that there isn’t enough food offered at B&B? So if they had chicken fingers Casper wouldn’t be worried about downfall of western society due to bathtub gin and loose women?

You kind of make the best argument against it, with your argument for it. Other parks do it, why shouldn't Disney? Because that wasn't what Walt wanted, and it made the park unique.

If you(and I don't mean you specifically)can't spend the day at an amusement park without a beer, then you weren't really the kind of customer Walt wanted at the parks.
It makes you wonder, if they dialed back how easy it is to get drunk at the parks, would we see less crazy videos of fights and gross behavior? Maybe, maybe not.

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[TheMaxRebo]

I mean, you kind make the best argument against it, with your argument for it. Other parks do it, why shouldn't Disney. Because that wasn't what Walt wanted, and it made the park unique.

If you(and I don't mean you specifically)can't spend the day at an amusement park without a beer, then you weren't really the kind of customer Walt wanted at the parks.
It makes you wonder, if they dialed back how easy it is to get drunk at the parks, would we see less crazy videos of fights and gross behavior? Maybe, maybe not.

How Disneyland stayed dry for almost 65 years

In 2019, Disneyland made headline news around the world with one simple change: for the...

www.sfgate.com

I think the thing is when on vacation people do want to relax and having a tropical drink can be part of that ... it's not "I can't get through the day without a drink" ... it's "choosing to have a tropical drink while on vacation goes with the vibe and can enhance it/make it feel more vacationy"

and has zero to do with getting drunk - if you get drink only drinking at Disney you are either a lightweight or spend a fortune ... generally the people I see drunk at the park were prepartying often in the parking lot, so having this bar or not would have zero impact on that

 

[Casper Gutman]

I think the thing is when on vacation people do want to relax and having a tropical drink can be part of that ... it's not "I can't get through the day without a drink" ... it's "choosing to have a tropical drink while on vacation goes with the vibe and can enhance it/make it feel more vacationy"

and has zero to do with getting drunk - if you get drink only drinking at Disney you are either a lightweight or spend a fortune ... generally the people I see drunk at the park were prepartying often in the parking lot, so having this bar or not would have zero impact on that

Just to clarify - neither I or anyone else in this thread has any issue I can recall with adult bars in Disney hotels, restaurants in the parks serving alcohol, or adult guests drinking.

 

[flyerjab]

I really don’t get the acrimony towards this bar or lounge or whatever one feels is the name most apropos. I guess if people that hold on to everything Walt said as gospel are upset with alcohol in the parks, well, that’s your belief. More power to you.

But for concerns over people drinking near kids, or people drinking too much; that is a problem way beyond just this one lounge. You’d literally have to ban alcohol across the entirety of WDW. Or give breathalyzer tests at the entrance points. I’ve seen people entering the parks that were already intoxicated. And one small bar with a 45 minute wait time won’t do much to perpetuate anything.

Also, just because I think that this lounge looks incredible, it does not make me a shill. I don’t play that game.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

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It doesn't help your argument or your credibility when you don't even know the name of the place you're talking about.

Oga was a one and done for me…like Star cruiser…which was a “zero and done”

Unlike Olga…who will bask in Olympic glory forever

 

[Club Cooloholic]

Just to clarify - neither I or anyone else in this thread has any issue I can recall with adult bars in Disney hotels, restaurants in the parks serving alcohol, or adult guests drinking.

Yes. I'm gonna tell you I certainly will try to get into this place when it opens, I don't have hate towards it. More just annoyed they don't put this much thought into other aspects of the park. The scavenger hunts used to be a very cool experience. No to little lines to experience it, and gave kids and all those folks that struggle with lines something to do. Then boom it's gone. When it should have been enhanced.
I think most people aren't against this bar, just more wistful that it's just a bar.

 

[KDM31091]

Bars/lounges print money at Disney and Disney knows it. Look at the hype and clamor to book geo82 and now this. Why wouldn’t they keep building them? As someone else said too alcohol lowers inhibition and increases spending.

I saw it was mentioned that Rainforest and TRex are trashy sub Disney restaurants which is odd to me, since they are far more thematic and old school Disney feeling than say, 1900 Park Fare which is basically a bland cafeteria room with some artwork.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

Bars/lounges print money at Disney and Disney knows it. Look at the hype and clamor to book geo82 and now this. Why wouldn’t they keep building them? As someone else said too alcohol lowers inhibition and increases spending.

I saw it was mentioned that Rainforest and TRex are trashy sub Disney restaurants which is odd to me, since they are far more thematic and old school Disney feeling than say, 1900 Park Fare which is basically a bland cafeteria room with some artwork.

My kids love TRex and Rainforest, they don't seem trashy. Due to my experiences at them both I will take TRex over 1900 Park Fare ,9 out of ten times.

 

[DisneyHead123]

I really don’t get the acrimony towards this bar or lounge or whatever one feels is the name most apropos. I guess if people that hold on to everything Walt said as gospel are upset with alcohol in the parks, well, that’s your belief. More power to you.

But for concerns over people drinking near kids, or people drinking too much; that is a problem way beyond just this one lounge. You’d literally have to ban alcohol across the entirety of WDW. Or give breathalyzer tests at the entrance points. I’ve seen people entering the parks that were already intoxicated. And one small bar with a 45 minute wait time won’t do much to perpetuate anything.

Also, just because I think that this lounge looks incredible, it does not make me a shill. I don’t play that game.

My guess is that it’s a generational thing with associations. At one point in time a “bar” was a very particular sort of place - and very much limited to adults. (Let’s be real though - stressed out suburbanites also had more access to prescription medication at that time. That slowly started to shift around the 1970s and reached maximum lockdown levels after the opioid crisis - probably no surprise that alcohol use and a push to legalize other substances steadily became more a part of the social landscape over the same time period.)

It seems like around the Millennial era is when wine and “cute” cocktails came to be seen as a fun, relatively harmless part of life, nothing to be locked away from children.

 

[plutofan15]

I’m at the dvc lounge in Epcot right now…they let trolls in here.

Where you at, Jack?

Not that it matters at all where someone is located, but I am at Treehouse on the Cape enjoying some pizza and a frosty cold adult beverage. For those who might be concerned, the children here are just fine despite alcoholic beverages being present.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not that it matters at all where someone is located, but I am at Treehouse on the Cape enjoying some pizza and a frosty cold adult beverage. For those who might be concerned, the children here are just fine despite alcoholic beverages being present.
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Indeed…everything was ok in the tequila bar too…no children were harmed

My contention is not anti-bar…at all. It’s that parks continue to play mind games with overpriced upsells when they’ve spent 25 years not investing in things included in a day ticket up 300+%

But everyone knows that…of course

 

[Chi84]

Indeed…everything was ok in the tequila bar too…no children were harmed

My contention is not anti-bar…at all. It’s that parks continue to play mind games with overpriced upsells when they’ve spent 25 years not investing investing in things included in a day ticket up 300+%

But everyone knows that…of course

They seem to be correcting course these days. No one can go back in time and undo the things you didn’t like.

 

[Stripes]

It’s deeply telling that the posters defending this bar keep desperately pretending it isn’t what it is. It has two nonalcoholic options! It serves a couple basic food items! The primary purpose of the Beak, just like Oga’s or any other bar, is to get alcohol into customers, and if you’re pretending it isn’t perhaps you should reexamine your argument.

The most hilarious argument here is that “booze fits pirates!” Sure. So would gambling, drugs, prostitution (and much worse), assault, theft, murder… but here’s a secret: these aren’t real pirates, so Disney can have them serve anything they like!

By the way, what’s the argument against putting some nice theming into stitch over in Tomorrowland and loading the space with slots and a few table games? Adults should be allowed to gamble and it’s something people like to do on vacation. Why not? What’s the line? Whatever Disney says it is?

I don’t even drink, so when I visit the Beak and Barrel I won’t be ordering any alcoholic beverages.

It just seems like you’re putting a lot of focus on the presence of a bar in a theme park, which feels like an unusual concern to me. Having a bar that sells alcohol doesn’t carry any moral implications.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

The bars aren't really the problem. The drunkards are. I think that's the optic a lot of people resent. If someone wants to grab a beer or a cocktail - enjoy their beverage - then go about their day. More power to them.

But that's usually not how things happen. See: Drinking Teams - When people come into a theme park with the express objective of getting hammered and wear attire that markets it to everyone, then yeah, it becomes a problem. When they make assclowns out of themselves - and become loud, obnoxious, and sometimes aggressive - it impacts everybody.
Not saying that is what it will evolve to at MK. But that's what it has evolved to at EPCOT.

Personally, I could care less if Disney sells alcohol or not in the MK. I do care (and very much care) if they don't have a plan control those who get out of hand.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

The bars aren't really the problem. The drunkards are. I think that's the optic a lot of people resent. If someone wants to grab a beer or a cocktail - enjoy their beverage - then go about their day. More power to them.

But that's usually not how things happen. See: Drinking Teams - When people come into a theme park with the express objective of getting hammered and wear attire that markets it to everyone, then yeah, it becomes a problem. When they make assclowns out of themselves - and become loud, obnoxious, and sometimes aggressive - it impacts everybody.
Not saying that is what it will evolve to at MK. But that's what it has evolved to at EPCOT.

Personally, I could care less if Disney sells alcohol or not in the MK. I do care (and very much care) if they don't have a plan control those who get out of hand.

I do wish they did more of not serving people were at visibly intoxicated and also escorting out (or at least to a "holding spot") people who are visibly intoxicated/causing issues

That can help with the people that arrive hammered as well vs just not having bars

 

[doctornick]

Yes. I'm gonna tell you I certainly will try to get I to this place when it opens, I don't have hate towards it. More just annoyed they don't put this much thought into other aspects of the park. The scavenger hunts used to be a very cool experience. No to little lines to experience it, and gave kids and all those folks that struggle with lines something to do. Then boom it's gone. When it should have been enhanced.
I think most people aren't against this bar, just more wistful that it's just a bar.

A Pirates Adventure is still active in MK as are Agent P at Epcot, Wilderness Explorers at DAK, and the Star Wars missions at DHS. They added the elephant smell thing recently in the circus area of MK. They did remove Sorcerers of the Magic Kingdom though, which I guess is what you are talking about?

(If anything of these things have been removed, please feel free to correct)

 

[TheMaxRebo]

A Pirates Adventure is still active in MK as are Agent P at Epcot, Wilderness Explorers at DAK, and the Star Wars missions at DHS. They added the elephant smell thing recently in the circus area of MK. They did remove Sorcerers of the Magic Kingdom though, which I guess is what you are talking about?

(If anything of these things have been removed, please feel free to correct)

I believe you have it accurate - plus they have the scavenger hunts during the festivals at EPCOT and not sure if it is still going on but they had a scavenger hunt going on at Blizzard Beach for Cool Kid Summer when we were there a few weeks ago

edit: as Agent H said, it is Ducktales now, not Agent P, but same basic game