Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

easyrowrdw

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No offense to the average guest... I hope they have a magical time, but I don't really care about the average guest attraction count.

This isn't food, shelter, health, security, ect (where I 100% do care about the average person). This is a trip to a theme park and I don't really feel bad about being selfish in this situation.

Every tourist spot in the world is better if you do pre-planning, research, or spend more money. Why should Disney be any different?

EDIT: I'll even add that with my current family make up (a 2.5 year old and another kid on the way) Disney would not be worth it for us as a family right now if they eliminated LLMP/G+/something like this.
That is similar to our situation when we started going. We got so much done with FP+ and early arrivals. The kids were so spoiled almost never waiting in line. We didn’t get as much done with Genie or the current setup but that’s because Disney won’t allow repeat rides anymore.
 

Splash4eva

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That is similar to our situation when we started going. We got so much done with FP+ and early arrivals. The kids were so spoiled almost never waiting in line. We didn’t get as much done with Genie or the current setup but that’s because Disney won’t allow repeat rides anymore.
To me Genie knowing the drops times made it so much easier which im assuming most vets on this board knew about & it didnt even require a true early rope drop.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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I'm going to agree with you with the idea that we really can't use DLR Pirates as an indicator as what effects LL has at WDW... it was a bad comparison to bring up.

Instead, I think the best think to do would be comparing a WDW attraction pre skip the line vs WDW attraction post skip the line. However, to adjust for crowd levels I think we also need to look at a ride that never had LL. Additionally, this is a great test case because it's not just 1 ride moving from standby to skip the line... it was the whole park in October of 2021.

The best combo I can think off the top of my head is Buzz and People mover. Both are high capacity attractions and 1 has LL and 1 does not, both have no height requirement and are located right next to each other in the same park.

So Pre-G+
MonthBuzz Average Wait timePeople Mover Average Wait timeDifference
July 2021422220
August 2021281315
September 2021201218
Average17.7
Post G+
MonthBuzz Average Wait timePeople Mover Average Wait timeDifference
November 2021402119
December 2021422121
January 2021442321
Average20.3

So the wait time went up 2.6 minutes or ~6%... Please someone show me math... any math that shows how LL is wrecking standby lines.

The Defunctland simulation was great on Shapeland/Animal kingdom. However, it was all theoretical and even he states that it is a flawed system... I'm looking for some real world data... It didn't take into account that people with a line skip system might be more likely to shop, eat, wander, ect than those without one. It also didn't factor in things like parades, streetmosphere, group dynamics, ect.
This also ignores that many people will simply just... not ride a line after a certain wait time?

Like yeah, it might be a miniscule shorter line, because it doesn't have the same amount of guests going through the line anyway. There's many reasons to attribute to a relatively minor increase and even if that, if the FP increases lines by 5-10 minutes or less but allows certain people to complete their day while the people that don't pay MAY have to wait 5 minutes more, what is the problem? They have the option to wait still...
 

Disgruntled Walt

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In the Parks
No
May i ask a question and feel free to tell me to mind my own business. But is passing on paying for LLMP or ILL a money or principle issue? Listen i agree i hate to pay for anything that use to be free and im a man of principle more than anything but im also not going to bite my nose to spite my face.
No, if I felt we needed the LLMP for MK, I would have bought it. But we're visiting the park so many times, especially at night, that it seemed like we were likely to make it on everything.
 

Fido Chuckwagon

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If I was a local AP holder I would not purchase LLMP, because, yeah, you’re right, you can duck in and out whenever you want and ride the occasional ride when waits are low.

But as an out of stater who is paying thousands for flights, hotels, rental car, etc, you better believe I’m shelling out the extra $30ish per person per day so that I don’t spend my (limited) time in the parks standing in line.
 

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