castlecake2.0
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Sooooooooo ... China? What’s happening here? They’re still talking about it in the preview center...
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EPCOT O Canada and China
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JohnD
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Eventually another 360 degree movie.
Disney got blasted for taking stock video of a contentious region of China and had the end credits of Mulan acknowledge thanks to that region's filming board for the permission to do so. Something that's done as a matter of fact for any movie. But, it was a delicate issue, and also a wedge to use against Disney by the haters.
So... does anyone think that Disney can film a new China film that won't cause controversy? You show the contentious areas... you get blasted. You don't show the contentious areas... you get blasted.
Casper Gutman
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“Contentious region” is a bit soft for “site of ongoing genocide.” And they specifically thanked one of the organizations that runs many of the concentration camps. This is a lot bigger then the grumbling of a bunch of theme park curmudgeons on a WDW message board.
Oh. I didn't know Disney thanked them for committing genocide. I thought they thanked them for being allowed to film establishing shot there.
ChrisFL
Premium Member
The China film was not only going to be an updated one but a seamless experience meaning they would overhaul the whole theater...I have a feeling that was probably cut out of the budget.
There's MANY tricky things going on right now in regards to China in general, so I don't have any hopes for this one happening anytime soon
There's MANY tricky things going on right now in regards to China in general, so I don't have any hopes for this one happening anytime soon
doctornick
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The China update is still in the Odyssey Epcot Experience preview though, right? That would seem to indicate it is still being planned, even if delayed.
castlecake2.0
Well-Known Member
Exactly
lazyboy97o
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It is not just a single matter of fact credit for a simple establishing shot. Of the 17 China Special Thanks credits, 8 (47%) of those credits are for Xinjiang or areas within and the only area to have a Burea of Public Security thanked. Xinjiang is the most thanked region and that includes an organization that is not a film board specifically connected to the ongoing atrocities.
And if it was a single, inconsequential shot it easily could have been shot elsewhere.
rioriz
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Don't know much, but do know this ain't dead...could debut anytime during the 50th..even into 2023
Creathir
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I suppose this would have been like Disney thanking Germany for allowing them to film during the early 1940s in southwestern German occupied Poland.
It’s just standard practice to thank them after all right?
What if they filmed at some place "safe" in China and they simply thanked the Chinese government that gave the OK and visas to shoot there? The genocide and oppression is countenanced by the top level of the Chinese government. So, would that mean Disney is condoning genocide?
Creathir
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Quite obviously, there are larger issues at hand regarding cooperation with the PRC on Disney's part, but you have to admit there is something quite distasteful in thanking the specific region for filming in said region where active genocide is taking place and thanking the local government, which is specifically facilitating said genocide...
But at least we got Mulan yo, right?
lazyboy97o
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The issue wasn’t over thanking Tulou or Zhangye. It was over the multiple thanks (almost half) to Xinjiang including the Turpan Municipal Bureau of Public Safety. You keep trying to downplay this into a single innocuous credit for an uninvolved group and that is not the case.
You keep downplaying the role of all China leadership as if the officials of that province and those governing institutions don't have the stamp of approval of the top leadership, as if those regions can act autonomously. You've pretty much fallen for the top leadership's plausible deniability gambit.
lazyboy97o
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I have not fallen for anything. You are the one who tried to downplay the issue by claiming it was just a matter of a single thanks to the local film board, which it was not. Now you are trying to spin your distortion as some sort of acknowledgement of a larger issue.
Tha Realest
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I think you all need to look at the broader picture here. Iger was cultivating a relationship with the Chinese leadership for years for his crowning achievement, Shanghai Disneyland. Virtually every Disney product is produced in China. Their films and movies are heavily reliant on China's box office.
Perhaps all the inward focus on decades-old films and attractions is out of shame due to the blind eye they're turning to atrocities they enable now.
Perhaps all the inward focus on decades-old films and attractions is out of shame due to the blind eye they're turning to atrocities they enable now.
DoleWhipDrea
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The Mulan controversy is significant, especially for Disney - many government officials have been grilling Disney and specifically Chapek for their partnership with China. And that's ignoring the significant backlash they've gotten from the general public.
I found this article from the LA Times helpful:
How Disney’s ‘Mulan’ became one of 2020’s most controversial movies
I found this article from the LA Times helpful:
How Disney’s ‘Mulan’ became one of 2020’s most controversial movies