News 'The Nutcracker and the Four Realms' preview now playing at Walt Disney Presents

[HauntedPirate]

I'm going to challenge your numbers...

Disney has a far more favorable deal with theaters than 50/50. That 50/50 number is a thing of the past especially for Disney. Rumor has it on Star Wars films Disney gets close to 75% of the take.

Let's say for this film Disney is getting 65% which is a stretch, but possible. Disney has known for a while this was going to bomb and no one in Burbank lost any sleep over these numbers, so I don't think they spent 60M in marketing as rumored. I think that number is closer to 40M .

Even with my numbers and insight they're looking at least a 50M loss. Disney knew this one was DOA and a 50M loss isn't shattering, but nonetheless disappointing. Could've been 50M put towards polishing up the parks.

IIRC, Disney demanded, and got, 65% of ticket sales with TLJ, plus other demands were met if a theater wanted to screen TLJ. I don't know if they get better than 50/50 on other movies.

A $20 million domestic opening, on a $130 million movie, combined with almost across-the-board low review scores? Flop. Can't say I'm shocked, either. Who continues to green-light this crap?

 

[Kevin_W]

A $20 million domestic opening, on a $130 million movie, combined with almost across-the-board low review scores? Flop. Can't say I'm shocked, either. Who continues to green-light this crap?

Have you seen the trailer for the latest Robin Hood? I asked the same question during that preview.

 

[raymusiccity]

Bombing at the box office. But this was much expected within the industry.

Time will tell. There are lots of films that recoup at the DVD and general cable release level. Disney has a track record of underappreciated films being accepted years later. The classic example is the early flop of Fantasia, which took a long time before rising to be considered iconic.

 

[Kman101]

But I liked the Walt documentaries, I'm sick of Walt Disney Presents now being the main place to show movie previews.

Never understood why they don't do them where they have Path of the Jedi (which was a total waste of space) ... I feel like they put in the meet and greet and movie previews into Walt Disney Presents to keep it open, so while I don't like it, I feel like there was a purpose behind it.

Although I also feel the Walt film should be on Main Street at the Magic Kingdom instead of Tinker Bell ...

 

[Kman101]

Time will tell. There are lots of films that recoup at the DVD and general cable release level. Disney has a track record of underappreciated films being accepted years later. The classic example is the early flop of Fantasia, which took a long time before rising to be considered iconic.

Well, you have to remember "bomb by Disney standards" is still a film that probably makes a lot of money ... lol

Personally based on my gut reaction to so many Disney films, I know how this one will go, like most of their live action fare. I don't think it'll totally bomb but it's no way going to be a blockbuster or get much buzz. I can see it becoming the new Alice and get a sequel but then drop off and we don't hear anymore about sequels. We'll see how right I will be

 

[Mouse Trap]

IIRC, Disney demanded, and got, 65% of ticket sales with TLJ, plus other demands were met if a theater wanted to screen TLJ. I don't know if they get better than 50/50 on other movies.

A $20 million domestic opening, on a $130 million movie, combined with almost across-the-board low review scores? Flop. Can't say I'm shocked, either. Who continues to green-light this crap?

Disney CERTAINLY gets better on most other films. Even if it's 55%, I don't think Disney has settled for 50% in a couple years now for any big budget film.

 

[Mouse Trap]

Well, you have to remember "bomb by Disney standards" is still a film that probably makes a lot of money ... lol

Personally based on my gut reaction to so many Disney films, I know how this one will go, like most of their live action fare. I don't think it'll totally bomb but it's no way going to be a blockbuster or get much buzz. I can see it becoming the new Alice and get a sequel but then drop off and we don't hear anymore about sequels. We'll see how right I will be

Problem with that theory is Alice made money at the box office.

As of now Nutcracker is trending to lose money at the box office.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Problem with that theory is Alice made money at the box office.

Using the (BO/2) - (1.5 x budget) formula, Alice1 made $243 million, while Alice2 lost $105 million. Alice1 got mixed reviews. Alice2 was hated.

 

[Mouse Trap]

Using the (BO/2) - (1.5 x budget) formula, Alice1 made $243 million, while Alice2 lost $105 million. Alice1 got mixed reviews. Alice2 was hated.

You said it yourself "Alice 1" MADE 243 million. So there was reason to take a chance on future films.

Nutcracker "1" has made $0.

There are virtually no examples in the entertainment business of a film getting sequels/prequels when the original film bombs. We can pick out a few examples, but I'll be able to tell you specifically why. It'll either have to do with merchandise, contracts or back-to-back filming.

As much as I wanted this film to do well... it isn't going to.

 

[Prince Thomas]

Saw the movie yesterday and didnt like it. The storyline was all over the map and they didnt develop the characters enough. But i will say it was visually stunning!!!