20 Years OF DCA: A Retrospective

MK-fan

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I have experienced DCA since I was a teenager, my first time to the park was back in April of 2001, about two months after it opened. It was the first time I had ever stepped into another Disney park outside of Disneyland and be that as it may, I was a bit underwhelmed and so were my parents. Since then, DCA has never stopped to try to improve itself and has made huge progress in trying to become a quality full day park. I have compiled a timeline from day one to today showcasing it's growth:

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Over the last twenty years, what do you love about DCA? What have you disliked? What do you miss? What about DCA gets you excited?
 
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DanielBB8

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I loved it between 2012 and 2015. Sadly, the park lost its charm for me when they took away TOT, Aladdin, TTBAB, MuppetVision, and Paradise Pier. I've gone about twice since and its just depressing.
How is charm lost when TTBAB and MuppetVision was barely attended and Paradise Pier was pretty bad and the Maliboomer was removed in August 10, 2010? Aladdin should remain, but I'm quite happy with Guardians attraction.
 

Professortango1

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How is charm lost when TTBAB and MuppetVision was barely attended and Paradise Pier was pretty bad and the Maliboomer was removed in August 10, 2010? Aladdin should remain, but I'm quite happy with Guardians attraction.

MuppetVision and TTBAB were some of the few Disney quality experiences in the park. Fun, imaginative, AA's, technology, music. Unfortunately, 4-D shows don't have a long shelf life, but without them, the park did feel a lot less Disney.

I didn't need the Maliboomer to like Paradise Pier. Maliboomer was pretty ugly and redundant. When California Adventure underwent its identity change, Paradise Pier received some good improvements which made it a 1920's pier and brought out that Disney charm. It was only the first step, but the direction it was heading in was amazing. Then, they went full Instagram and now it feels like a county fair again.

Mission BO is an okay Universal Studios attraction, but it doesn't hold a candle to the Disney magic that was TOT. It was especially sad since they had just redone Buena Vista Street with references to the Hollywood Hotel and incorporated the area with the Red Trolley. Now, the Red Trolley drops us off at a weird kind of Hollywood but also Space Oil Refinery/Factory/Prison.
 

MK-fan

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Mission BO is def a downgrade from TOT, Pixar Pier was a good addition except for the Inceredicoaster. Frozen is a downgrade from Aladdin and we will just have to see about Avengers Campus.
 

D.Silentu

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What follows is a hodgepodge of thoughts I have about Disney California Adventure's first two decades:

2015 is being singled out as the year the park peaked and I would agree and feel it worth noting that was the year the Soarin' area became an extension of Grizzly Peak. To date I would call this the last change to DCA that was any sort of improvement. Avengers Campus may yet be the next improvement when it opens. The aesthetics have been criticized, but as for Bugs Land that category is the only one that impressed me and Marvel has the possibility of bringing more to the table, including an E-ticket.

The 2012 improvements were the biggest steps forward for the park, but were lacking in one major category.

EXHIBIT A:
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Some may find fault in my opinion, but that is a beautiful entrance to a theme park! The trade was that once you pass the gates things were lackluster; now you pass lackluster gates to an excellently themed entry corridor. I realize that they felt the exterior needed to change to demonstrate how serious they were about the park's relaunch. However, I'm certain word of mouth would have been enough and I try not to think of the extra funding they would have had for other improvements if they didn't build a new entry. I will say it was nice to see the bridge go; at night the lights could be seen from Main Street.

Most would agree that retheming Tower of Terror was a step backwards, myself included. For clarity I must admit that I find things to enjoy on Guardians, though it's in need of a few extra touches before I would call it a great ride. Specifically, the preshow sets you up as a participant, but on the elevator you're merely an observer. Following the opening of Avengers Campus I hope they take the opportunity to develop the ride further, just as they did when the animatronic aliens were added to the queue. Also, for the love of Imagineering, if you're going to put a looped video in the line, then accurately calculate how long people will be standing around watching it!

While I think a number of changes can redeem Guardians, I'm not sure the same can be said of the Incredicoaster. Screamin' was one of the redeeming factors of year one DCA. All of the criticisms of having a simple roller coaster in a Disney park were on point. That being said, it was an excellent coaster and that adjective couldn't be applied to much else on opening day. I nearly have no words for what the makeover did to it. Marrying the Incredibles to a roller coaster should have been the theme park equivalent of peanut butter and chocolate. Instead we get what serves as a monument to the poor execution that formed Pixar Pier. I'm not sure what they could do to make me enjoy this version of the ride any better, short of returning the ride to its previous state.

Not to entirely disparage Pixar Pier, there is one thing that I do enjoy. I like the lemon ice cream cones at the Adorable Snowman location and initially found myself thrilled that they had replaced generic soft serve with something tasty and unique.

I feel I've been on a negative run thus far so it's worth reiterating that the park has come a long way. One of the better things that have come and gone were the night time celebrations ala ElecTronica and Mad T Party. The energy that came with them was infectious and, referring to the latter event, live bands are due for a return to both parks! The Aladdin show was fun and had a better grasp than Frozen of what a show at a theme park should aspire to. Not to say Frozen is a bad show, but I've only seen it once thanks to its length.

Speaking of shows, I would say the best addition to the park has been World of Color. The park desperately needed an evening show, but choosing choreographed fountains was a masterstroke. This was finally a spectacle that you couldn't find at Disneyland, but was worthy of it. This is the kind of thing California Adventure needs more of. Not just big rides, but one of a kind attractions that can evoke a sense of awe. Cars Land comes close to this, with its sweeping vista of the desert town and racing ride on full display.

Well, there you have it. Just a number of thoughts on the history of DCA as they came to me. Pardon the lack of structure or conclusion, but it's been fun to write this stream of consciousness. I'm sure other thoughts will cross my my mind and if so I will do my best to make them a bit more concise!
 
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Heppenheimer

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I have a limited perspective, since my first visit was in 2016, but I returned in 2017, then again in March of last year right before everything closed. I understand that the park has greatly improved since it originally opened, but it has evolved so much that even I've seen changes in my rather constricted time frame of visiting.

I thought Paradise Pier had about as good of theming has they could manage, given that the outside world intrudes on the site-lines. Pixar Pier, though, just feels like a cheap overlay. It doesn't fit the existing design at all.

Although I prefer the Tower of Terror (and I generally do not like Marvel at all), Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout has won me over. I'm now glad that each coast has a drop ride with very different moods. Horror with the Tower of Terror, high-energy fun with Mission Breakout.

Likewise, it would be nice if California Adventures keeps Soarin' Over California, while Disney World offers Soarin' Round the World.

I also particularly enjoy the current music loop on Buena Vista Street.
 

Darkbeer1

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From 2004, something I wrote...

Why is Disney's California Adventure a failure?

We can talk about the original attractions, the attractions that were added or removed.....

But really, if you talk to Disney Management, why do they feel that it is a failure, and not just for DCA, but also for Disneyland Park.....

And the answer is tickets sold, but not the number of tickets sold......

Let's go back to December 2000, when DCA was still under construction, and Disneyland tickets cost $43 (adults)... they were $41 in early 2000, but were raised in November...

Also in November 2000, they started to sell the new 2-park Annual Passes, mainly to those who already had a Disneyland Annual Pass, allowing the upgrading.... a Premium 2 park AP was $100 more than a Disneyland Park only AP...

But in January 2001 they stopped selling Annual Passes to anyone, due to the expected crowds that would should up at DCA's door.

The ONLY people who could parkhop were guests staying at one of the 3 owned Disney hotels.

Almost everybody was expected to buy a Full Price ticket, or a slightly discounted multi-day ticket, but you would have to decide prior to use which park you would visit that day...

The Execs talking about how they would have to send the DCA overflow over to Disneyland. Go back and find the January 14th, 2001 Los Angeles Times article titled "The Most Jam-Packed Theme Park on Earth?; Attracting visitors won't be a problem for Disney's soon-to-open California Adventure. But coping with the expected hordes may be another matter" written by E. Scott Reckard. The article states that senior Disney officials that there will be days that DCA will have to turn patrons away.

George Kalogridis, then senior vice president of Disney operations in Anaheim is quoted in the article as saying ""Come early in the day or come later, after the park clears out again, hopefully, with Disneyland right across the esplanade and Downtown Disney right there, we won't have to turn people away from the resort."

This is also the news article that talked about company projections showing that DCA would get about 7 million visitors a year. Barry Braverman stated that "Disney Imagineers worked backward from the projected attendance level of 7 million a year"

DCA was supposed to draw full price admission, and get up to 30,000, if not a bit more than that daily in the summer and weekends.... While not the capacity of Disneyland, it was still supposed to bring in a lot of admission dollars....

What happened, first they started to sell ParkHoppers to the Good Neighbor Hotels, then to anyone, brought back the AP's.... offered a MAJOR discount just 4 months after opening (One Adult and One Kid for just $33, instead of the $76 they wanted when the park opened, that was less than 1/2 the price...)

Then in the fall, they dropped the price of the 2 park AP's to the DL only price, and eliminated the DL only AP, basically giving DCA for free to AP holders..... Yesterday, a 2-park Premium was still cheaper than what it cost when they went on sell in November of 2000 ($279 vs $299), now with the price increase the Premium AP is $329, or just a $30 increase in about 4 years.

Then we had all the 2 for one promotions, heck for a 16 month period from January 2003 thru April of 2004, 13 months offered the "Pay for Disneyland, get DCA for free" to Southern California and Baja California residents...

Now we have the 5 days for the price of 3 (plus 6 for 4, etc.) ParkHoppers on sale for the last 2 years straight (plus previous times)....

While a few more folks have come to the DLR, and some have bought an additional day or two in a hotel (one of 3 Disney owned, or at a Good Neighbor location...) BUT...

If you look at the statistic of...

"Amount paid per person, per day to enter the park", that dollar amount has gone DOWN, which has hurt BOTH parks.....

And that is probably the biggest failure of DCA in the eyes of TDA....
 

CaptinEO

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I find it sad that they still have to subsidize California Adventure. You know how many people would happily rather buy a DL only pass if they could? California Adventure still isn't a draw for crowds and even with included admission, I rarely found myself over there.

Costco's failed California Adventure annnual pass is proof of how no one wants to go there. If APs didn't "include" admission and Park Hopper tickets didn't exist, DCA would be a ghost town.

Now they are "plussing DCA" by removing rides and replacing them, instead of adding attractions in a park that still has very little to do.
 

TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives

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I loved it between 2012 and 2015. Sadly, the park lost its charm for me when they took away TOT, Aladdin, TTBAB, MuppetVision, and Paradise Pier. I've gone about twice since and its just depressing.

Same. Last time I visited was 2015 and haven't been back since (having kids makes that a bit more difficult though). 2015 was peak DCA in my opinion and while I remain optimistic about DCA today, I know when I go back that it more than likely will be a 'lesser' version of the last time I went.
 

Tamandua

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I find it sad that they still have to subsidize California Adventure. You know how many people would happily rather buy a DL only pass if they could? California Adventure still isn't a draw for crowds and even with included admission, I rarely found myself over there.

Costco's failed California Adventure annnual pass is proof of how no one wants to go there. If APs didn't "include" admission and Park Hopper tickets didn't exist, DCA would be a ghost town.

Now they are "plussing DCA" by removing rides and replacing them, instead of adding attractions in a park that still has very little to do.
In my mind, I think the name still holds it back. It was a mistake to theme the park after California. They need to just bite the bullet and rename the park to something else. Something more interesting. Early DCA, for all its flaws, at least had consistent theming, and wasn't the hodge podge of IPs it is now. It's definitely better now, but they need to find a way to tie it all together and rebrand the entire park, because at this point it's far better than several of the Orlando parks, but without the reputation.
 

Tamandua

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I have a limited perspective, since my first visit was in 2016, but I returned in 2017, then again in March of last year right before everything closed. I understand that the park has greatly improved since it originally opened, but it has evolved so much that even I've seen changes in my rather constricted time frame of visiting.

I thought Paradise Pier had about as good of theming has they could manage, given that the outside world intrudes on the site-lines. Pixar Pier, though, just feels like a cheap overlay. It doesn't fit the existing design at all.

Although I prefer the Tower of Terror (and I generally do not like Marvel at all), Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout has won me over. I'm now glad that each coast has a drop ride with very different moods. Horror with the Tower of Terror, high-energy fun with Mission Breakout.

Likewise, it would be nice if California Adventures keeps Soarin' Over California, while Disney World offers Soarin' Round the World.

I also particularly enjoy the current music loop on Buena Vista Street.
I agree that Guardians won me over... At least in the sense that it's a lot more fun than I thought it would be. If we're honest with ourselves, ToT at DCA was an inferior version to the one in Florida, so if we had to lose one, at least it wasn't the better version.
 

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