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  1. Sir_Cliff

    In Defense of Florida's "It's a Small World"

    I don't think either of the facades are bad, and the MK one is appropriate for the location and functional for the Florida climate. Personally, I also like the version of the DL facade that they added to the loading area. The reason I think people prefer the Disneyland facade is that it is more...
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    Len Testa - “Disney positions itself as the all-American vacation. The irony is that most Americans can’t afford it.”

    Yes, it definitely seems amidst all the discussion about rising costs and the post-COVID/Chapek backlash to rising costs and uncharges the strategy has been to offer more and more promotions. I even think maybe lentesta or someone has noted that moderates and value resorts have generally seen a...
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    Len Testa - “Disney positions itself as the all-American vacation. The irony is that most Americans can’t afford it.”

    I guess, though, the point of this article was that what was traditionally Disney's largest demographic audience is no longer sufficiently lucrative for them or similar businesses, thus they are pitching at higher income brackets which are now incredibly lucrative. I've seen suggestions that...
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    HKDL gets new castle, frozen land and marvel land.

    Kind of curious as to how similar this ride ends up being to ToT. In the concept art, the ride vehicle looks identical but the building looks a lot smaller with no obvious 'windows' into the park that I can see. Perhaps that is just because of the way it is portrayed in the artwork and in...
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    MK Villains Land Announced for Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom

    I feel I understand the point you're making. They once tried to go more PG13 at MK with Alien Encounter and it didn't work out. Disney's version of scary, particularly at Magic Kingdom, is more the kind of humorous/light scary you find at Haunted Mansion. It would be tonally weird to cast...
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    Len Testa - “Disney positions itself as the all-American vacation. The irony is that most Americans can’t afford it.”

    I don't think many people would object to the idea that a WDW vacation used to be more affordable for those on an average income than it is now, because that is objectively true. The NYTimes article makes the point that it was never a cheap vacation as such, but a realistic one for a middle...
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    Len Testa - “Disney positions itself as the all-American vacation. The irony is that most Americans can’t afford it.”

    Completely agree. The article is making that broader point, so, while it's perfectly fine to consider whether you find Disney still worth the money, that's not the point I think the authors were making. That point is also the opposite of what some here seem to be suggesting, which is that this...
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    Len Testa - “Disney positions itself as the all-American vacation. The irony is that most Americans can’t afford it.”

    Indeed. I think all the discussion of the specifics of Disney's changing price strategy and offerings is missing the point of the article. Disney was basically being used in this instance as an example of what was perhaps the ultimate aspirational but achievable middle class vacation...
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    Transformative Multi-Year Expansion Announced for WDS Paris

    There's a bad tattoo for anyone looking for inspiration!
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    DHS Disney Confirms Muppets Take Over Rock 'n' Roller Coaster at Hollywood Studios

    I still feel pretty mixed on this one. It was never one of my favourite attractions, in part because I didn't really connect at all to the Aerosmith theming as they kind of don't mean anything to me. Honestly, I think they mostly came onto my radar for I Don't Want to Miss A Thing. That may be...
  11. Sir_Cliff

    MAGICal DLP News, Rumours & Thoughts

    It just seems like their mentality over there is worlds away from WDW. They run the park as though they have great affection for it and enjoy crafting it and improving it. At WDW, it seems more a case of high-level executives making decisions, Imagineers doing the best they can, then all bets...
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    DHS Disney Confirms Muppets Take Over Rock 'n' Roller Coaster at Hollywood Studios

    Not to mention she’s heading into her twilight years and we’ll all be struggling to remember her in a few years anyway!
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    MK New Beak and Barrel - Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge

    I never said there was one! I just responded to the hypothetical about Disney including gambling in the parks and why it would be any different: cultural norms around gambling and alcohol are different. I'm not saying there has been a big cultural shift in recent years to get kids into bars...
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    MK New Beak and Barrel - Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge

    Ok, I will rephrase that to "worried" or "concerned". I don't know whether cultural norms are changing, my point was that norms are different around alcohol such that children being around adults drinking alcoholic beverages is far more normalised than children being in gambling venues. Whether...
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    MK New Beak and Barrel - Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge

    I think the reason they won't add gambling venues anytime soon is exactly the cultural norms that @BrianLo is alluding to. Just look at how the French reacted when Disney tried to import more conservative US norms around alcohol at the time to Euro Disneyland. For better or worse, we just see...
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    MK New Beak and Barrel - Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge

    Yes, that is my feeling. I don’t know if there is a definition somewhere people can point to, but I am getting the impression that it is just used as a pejorative term for people who you think have an inappropriate interest in Disney for an adult. If you are not a Disney fan yourself, the issue...
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    MK New Beak and Barrel - Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge

    I generally agree they have leant more heavily toward thrill attractions in recent years, my sense is more that's because they are easy to market and produce more immediate attendance gains than a gentler, all-age attraction. I'm sceptical that this is a deliberate attempt to move away...
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    MK New Beak and Barrel - Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge

    I think a lot of us here are "Disney Adults" to some extent, but I guess part of the whole debate around The Beak & Barrel is whether Disney should be catering to adult fans of the park who might enjoy things like a themed bar rather than mostly families with children. I would also gently note...
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    MK New Beak and Barrel - Pirates of the Caribbean-themed lounge

    I'm not a Geo 82 booster, but a more minimalist bar in that location makes sense and is better themed than something like this would be. Theming doesn't necessarily mean details layered on details or literally recreating a particular type of setting like a pirate bar. I will also say that there...
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    Transformative Multi-Year Expansion Announced for WDS Paris

    My guess is that the lyrics will be in English, but the music will all be in French accordion style.
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