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I agree with your read of the art on the Liberty Square and CBJ sides, but I don’t think it’s going to be enclosed on the Tiana and BTR side. I think it’ll be open But as was said, the “open” environment appears to be beautiful rock work, trees, and scenery. With just the off road vehicles...

You wanna add up all the Orlando parks vs So Cal? That was my point. It’s not even close

The competition is much stiffer in Florida, so innovation and modernity are musts here. The California parks -- Disney and otherwise — aren’t really incented or expected to innovate. They’re not vacation destinations with nearly as much interest or demand. I think they’re fine to remain as time...

Susbsections appended to larger lands are at least expansions of existing concepts. They didn’t need to do that — they could just announced a Cars mini land and be done with it. Build a potpourri of disjoint mini lands like Hong Kong DL. They didn’t, and should get credit for that I don’t see...

If they dont stand up to the same bar you expect new additions to adhere to, I will gladly point out the double standard 😁

Genius? If you had any part of any park to pick apart for discontinuity of timeline and location, it would be this one. Australian submarines at the foot of a Swiss mountain? Intermixed with a modern monorail and race cars? Yet another reason Disneyland’s ride density has done a huge disservice...

You’ve referenced the phrase out of context. He is referring to reimagining ROA / TSI (an existing part of the land) into these Car experiences. Not the entirety of Frontierland being reimagined. Instead, D23 reminds us the definition of Frontier that the park and land has adhered to — the...

Extreme lengths?? We dont know any of this. We have one overheard piece of artwork. From my read of that artwork, Cars will be very visible if you’re standing in front of Tiana or Big Thunder. Just across a pathway. Doesn’t seem hidden at all, and if they wanted to make it different from...

This is a geographic themed area, and Cars is consistent with that definition. D23 confirmed that is the direction. The time period is irrelevant, as its irrelevant everywhere else in the park with rides spanning centuries The vintage feel and percieved time bound is not intentional — it’s...

That was the original argument — that even if you’re a purist on Frontierland and that it must have a time component, the land already stretches over decades and Cars would be an extension not inconsistent with the largest gap in the land today (1840s to 1920s = 1920s to 2000s) Still — D23 made...

Tiana’s source material is an animated film, as is Cars. The Cars proposal isn’t Toon Lagoon where it literally all looks like a cartoon. They seem to be using real trees and water. The landscape will mesh really well

Even if this is true, Disney is emphasizing the 1850s more than all this other detail about a flood and reopening. This is an 1850s mine, and next door is a 1920s band being formed. Decades time jump, which Cars is only continuing I appreciate the detail, the point still stands Tiana is a...

90% of the ride we are in a vastly different century than Jungle Cruise. Time travel doesn’t erase that. Less than 1% of people who visit the park think to themselves “oh, weird this ride is such a different time that Jungle Cruise. But I get it — it’s because we’re just seeing ghosts” You...

And what’s your point? The land is still undeveloped. I said National Parks was part of that, which is a fact as you just shared

Except it’s not settled. The vast majority of land in the American west today is very much undeveloped. We can thank National Parks for part of that. Unlike the East coast which has far more urban centers and suburban sprawl You don’t think the average person who watches a show like...

Where are you getting this from? And why does Disney’s website clearly make it seem like we are riding these eerie trains in the 1850s “soon after” their discovery, and not this supposed 40 years later?

Huh? Did you read the full description? The mine is already haunted with runaway trains upon its discovery in the 1850s, not later I’m not going by fan fiction

I disagree. I think you poll 100 Disney guests “what is the frontier?” and you’ll get more answers about a geography than a time Space has nothing to do with the geography of the American frontier so not sure why you think that’d be consistent with my logic. I’m talking about wilderness West of...

They don’t need to just as they don’t need to justify why Jungle Cruise is next to Pirates despite taking place centuries apart At D23 they made the point very clearly they are going for geographic and visual consistency, not time. I have no clue why people are fixated on time as if it’s a...

No, you’re wrong. Here’s a screenshot of Disney’s own website describing the ride. “Soon after gold was first discovered here in the 1850s, eerie things began to happen” LINK: https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/attractions/magic-kingdom/big-thunder-mountain-railroad/