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Don’t jump the shark. That’s at least 10 years away.

e Agree, I just feel like the risk is multiplied when you compound the “hidden cost” equation of additional new forms of monetization on top of the regular price increases folks have come to expect. But time will tell.

Agree because the expectations have been set for the Street going forward. But eventually this metric is going to cannibalize attendance when the parks hit peak attendance and there is a natural “death spiral” from a pricing and profitability standpoint where certain incomes feel priced out by...

They’re addicted to the “per guest per capita spending metric” now presumably because KPIs (and hence executives down to Director level staff bonuses) are tied to it. It’s also seen as a silver lining when attendance dips to show per guest per capita spending going up even if one cannibalizes...

My guess is April 2025 at the latest since I think they’ll need the extra capacity until they presumably reopen an updated HoP, because I think it’s sticking around one more presidential term. Though presumably its facade, along with most of the neighboring Frontierland facades, around the...

Agree. Let WDW get the “upgrades”.

I don’t disagree there, but now we’re having a subjective qualitative discussion over DCA (is it a good park) vs. quantitive (how many visitors). The latter of which is provable in spite of its shortcomings. But I think we’re veering off topic. Since I’m not sure what any of this has to do with...

They don’t, and its attendance numbers were greater than DHS and DAK I believe. But whatever floats your riverboat (while you still have one 🙃).

Yeah, I’ll take the backwoods transition from Frontierland or BC into Batuu over having Cartoon Cars whizzing around Haunted Mansion or TBA.

I think this option at least might make sense to Vahle and the TDO execs. Since it turns a revenue loser (in their eyes) into a revenue positive. And they get to score a “win” by listening to fans.

I don’t doubt they’re surprised by the reaction, but I also think they’re going to charge forward perhaps at an even faster pace to “close the book on this” given permits are being filed. At Burbank they don’t think nostalgia is a core component of their Florida business model. And unlike the...

This reminds my of a lot of social media speculation we were hearing about Splash Mountain too. I think it is extremely unlikely at this point as it simply doesn’t fit the WDW business model. At best there may be a consideration of locating Monsters to animation, retaining HOP, and keeping...

I think we just need to give it a bit more time and the “true king” will be revealed. Where they have the “blessing of sizable insights” to maintain/refresh RoA in addition to the largest collection of E-tickets in any castle park.

Does the WDWRR have luxury cars that are tied to guided tours, etc.? I know at Disneyland there is an added morning tour that they charge $$ for one of the private cars. If so, it’s probably safe. If not maybe that would be one way for the attraction to “demonstrate value” to TDO execs.

Pocahontas, Brother Bear, Bambi, Robin Hood, or even UP all would have fit a backwoods national park theme better. Unlike at DL where Tiana fits quite well. They really should have had better foresight if they were going to take Frontierland in this direction. Another option would have been...

Stop it! All this talk about “free” entertainment (sans the *modest* cost of admission) and you’re going to make the folks at TDO lose their lunch. They’ll be calling out of work Monday after having panic attacks.

Most “normies” I’ve talked to think the idea of removing a RoA is insane. With Splash no one knew the characters, I think losing Muppets will be acceptable to the general public particularly if they move a new show to HoP as well since Liberty Square is likely to get facade changes alongside...

It would be conceivably the end of Muppets representation in the parks so this is literally their “last stand”. Whereas no other Disney park is likely to bulldoze their RoA anytime soon, so there’s that. Maybe Tokyo someday, but I don’t have confidence they’ll knock this design out of the park...

I agree here. As I’ve stated over multiple threads I don’t think this has much (if anything) to do with the “committee” in question, unless it’s a financial committee. This decision is seemingly specific to the way the WDW business model is structured. The blame should rest with TDO and the...

In fairness I really don’t think this is on the Imagineers. They’re being dealt a hand from execs that is a corporate mandate that says ROA is a proverbial money suck that needs to go. If Jeff Vahle, Josh D’Amaro and TDO leadership views WDW guests as walking semi-sentient ATM machines, ROA is...