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  1. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    People aren’t ignoring any of that. There’s just a substantive difference between attractions on expansion pads or replacing flat rides (while we are counting, one went to Pixar pier) and IP reskins of existing lands. Which Disney has also done in California. DHS does need more attractions too.
  2. October82

    News Red Car Trolley to close February 8, 2025

    “If it’s good enough for Six Flags…”
  3. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    I have never understood the desire to compare attractions across resorts like this. The majority of guests will never visit more than one resort, and even those that do will most often only be making one trip to the other domestic resort. Even if the “better tower” was at WDW that doesn’t...
  4. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    The new Marvel attractions will be on a large expansion pad behind the park. I won’t comment on whether it makes sense to count replacing a collection of lightly themed flat rides with a collection of lightly themed industrial buildings an expansion or not, but it is clearly the case that the...
  5. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    The current attractions at DCA replaced A Bugs Land - I’ll let others handle whether any of that was notable - while the two new attractions are on an expansion pad behind Guardians. Avatar’s entry area will likely replace Monster’s with the attraction itself on the expansion pad where a...
  6. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    DCA is getting three new attractions: 1. coco 2. Avengers 3. Avatar These are all being built in currently undeveloped expansion pads at DCA. You’re current that no new lands other than Galaxy’s Edge have been built at DLR - although that was also on a mostly undeveloped plot of land (petting...
  7. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    The point people are making is that DLR is receiving new attractions and areas for each dollar spent - the total amount will be well in excess of $2 billion, this is a minimum they’re committing to publicly, not a maximum or inclusive of the roughly $1 billion they already committed to DCA...
  8. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    Sure - it’s just also very clear that DLR is getting significant both short and long term expansion. All we have WDW in terms of expansion is Villains.
  9. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    That was my original understanding as well, but the agreement Disney made in order to get the zoning changes actually requires them to spend $1.9 billion on attractions built west of Disneyland Drive over the next 10 years.
  10. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    I was also very skeptical of their intentions, but Disney has made commitments to the city of Anaheim that require them to develop the DisneylandForward areas with attractions. Whether the new areas will be ticketed separately, how much of it will be new attractions vs other uses, and the...
  11. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    Although I’m sure the conversation on WDWmagic would be helped with more accurate numbers, it’s easy enough to estimate some numbers. The riverboat is not costing tens of millions of dollars to maintain and operate. It is not particularly staff hungry either. The actual issue that is at stake...
  12. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    This is a great comment that makes a lot of important points. Metrics shouldn’t be considered in a vacuum - they’re relative to goals - and often have their own biases in both conception and measurement. Rate of growth in guest spend is a good example. What does it say about your business when...
  13. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    Like much of DCA, Grizzly Peak was done as well as could be done on the budget they were given. What people miss is that it isn’t built like most Disney mountains - much of it is built up “earthworks”, basically a series of retaining walls - with only the “bear” a separate structure. This was...
  14. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    I'd wager all guests who visit MK experience the RoA. "Play and explore" areas are common features of theme parks from both Disney and their competitors because they serve families at low operational costs. The riverboat is also a relatively high capacity attraction that sees plenty of guests. I...
  15. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    It seems to be an outdoor "trackless dark ride" system from Dynamic Attractions.
  16. October82

    Magic Kingdom to lose ROA, Riverboat, and TSI for Cars Land

    It’s neither an easy trip nor the same experience, but the attraction of the same name at TDS is a worthy spiritual successor.
  17. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    DCA is a mix of Disney's America (who would want to go to a park about the USA in the USA?) and EPCOT's World Showcase. The problem wasn't the concept but the extremely poor execution. Many successful attractions in DCA, in other Disney parks, and in competing parks are "California" themed -...
  18. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    DCA 1.0 was a poorly and cheaply executed theme park. The California theme was not the problem and mainly consisted of - often in bad taste - puns and Hollywood in-jokes. It's a case study in how companies can fall victim to group think and a loss of their core competencies. Much of the...
  19. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    It's best to say that you don't appreciate the RoA and would prefer a Cars attraction in that space rather than assume that no, or even a small number of people, make use of the space. Every guest who visits WDW experiences the RoA. It's the core of 30-40% of the park's space and what separates...
  20. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    Attractions are part of theme parks but not the beginning or the end of them. Six Flags being the extreme counterpoint - world class roller coasters over parking lots. (several old attractions are being replaced to add this - TSI and the riverboat aren't trackless (dark) rides but they're...
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