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  1. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    What do you think is the business case for the HM long term? To make this more concrete - Although it’s a well done experience, Disneyland’s version spends about half the year as a nightmare before Christmas attraction. I don’t think the parallels are exact, but it’s clear that Disney sees...
  2. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    People said the same things about VHS and video games - pop culture trends change, but people’s desire to spend time in real environments with other people doesn’t. Why? In short - because we are social animals and hardwired for it. Kids spend time on twitch because it’s a social media platform...
  3. October82

    News Red Car Trolley to close February 8, 2025

    Paradise Pier still needed a lot of work - some of which that was done in the conversion to Pixar Pier. I agree it’s probably a lateral move overall but the point for a lot of people is that it didn’t need to be lateral. Pixar added nothing that the Disney characters didn't already bring beyond...
  4. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    You'd have to be a very special kind of person to equate a 4K video on YouTube with visiting South America, Asia, or Africa. Or even visiting a theme park recreation of them. Not saying that person doesn't exist - I'm sure they do - but they're not driving WDW's marketshare.
  5. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    I would have said the same about the RoA.
  6. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    That's the other half of the issue. An outdoor trackless off-roading ride is a cool concept - and even a decent concept for a Cars attraction - but it shouldn't be a headliner at the costs Disney pays for new attractions. It would have been a nice D-ticket for DCA but MK really should be getting...
  7. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    The theme of DCA post 2012 was intended to be the ideals and history of California. That gives you a lot of freedom in principle. As you pointed out, Hollywoodland allows them to copy much of DHS, the pier allows for a lot of classic Disney IP to be used (which was the ~2012 concept), and much...
  8. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    Then what are you talking about?
  9. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    Anyone posting on a Disney fan forum is emotionally attached to the Disney Parks. The RoA is still extremely important to the design of Frontierland. Although aesthetics aren't objective in the same way mathematics is, they're also not arbitrary and Disney hasn't given much in the way of a...
  10. October82

    News Red Car Trolley to close February 8, 2025

    I don't think a name change would be driven by 'respect for the theme (or lack thereof)' but by whatever Disney can market. I don't see how "Disney Cinematic Adventure" or something would attract more people, and I would add that Disney's execs in the 1990s were probably right that having...
  11. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    I mostly go to the international parks now.
  12. October82

    News Red Car Trolley to close February 8, 2025

    IP isn't intrinsically bad. Cars is set in Arizona, but the themes are reflective of the California and broader "western American" ideas. TSMM and Mermaid were both conceptual fits to their lands. I don't think GSS is worth remarking on beyond the IP-free changes to the surrounding areas. Beyond...
  13. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    The Avengers attractions that Disney is planning are on new space not occupied by a previous attraction or guest accessible area. Yes, Spider-man and associated lightly themed structures replaced some off the shelf flat rides several years ago. Yes - which I acknowledged was an interesting...
  14. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    There are IMO two things going on here: 1. SWL and TSL were expansions of DHS in terms of themed area and quality (regardless of problematic uses of their IP) compared to the park as it existed in the 2010s. 2. They didn’t deliver the capacity they should given the cost. Both in terms of...
  15. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    I’d recommend you go back through this conversation. I acknowledged where there are parallels, and afaik, explicitly responded to your points as you made them. I’m happy to discuss more - if there’s a substantive new point - but nowhere did I ignore a point you made or “move the goalposts”...
  16. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    No one is ignoring those things, and even if they were, that’s not moving the goal posts.
  17. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    Not at all. I responded to your claim about expansions vs replacements. DLR is mostly planning new attractions on expansion pads. WDW is mostly replacing existing attractions. DLR has done a bit of both in the past - no one is ignoring that. It’s still interesting that the two resorts seem to...
  18. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    GMR is a weird one - it seemed tailor made for a Great Disney Movie Ride redo.
  19. October82

    MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    The RoA and the riverboat are a core part of the thematic cohesion of a good chunk of the MK. That’s what people are talking about losing and very different from anything done at DCA. (Although there are parallels with ToT) I’d invite you to reread the thread if you think “attraction count” is...
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