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We'll just agree to disagree - a person with DAS IS doing the standby time, they're just doing it outside the line. What difference does it make if they have an LL time as well?

Exactly. I have no issue whatsoever with DAS users buying LL and holding a DAS return time & an LL at the same time, as that's really no different than me waiting in line while I have an LL return time. My issue is with DAS users being able to ride other attractions while they wait for their...

I agree 100% that Disney should offer refunds - without a fight - if DAS is denied and the guest feels that they need DAS in order to access the attractions. But the fact that everyone just took it for granted previously just shows how badly the changes were needed.

What I've seen are mostly people who don't like the alternate accommodations v. the alternatives won't work for them. But that is, of course, anecdotal.

I've seen you say a number of times complaining that people have to spend money before they can even apply for DAS. How is that any different than before the most recent changes?

The person quoted in the article, ST Hammer, is a piece of work...

I don't understand what you mean when you say it's behind a paywall...if you mean you have to have tickets first, well, haven't you always had to have tickets first?

As far as I know, it was always necessary to have already purchased tickets before applying for DAS, so that hasn't changed.

The issue is avoiding getting back to the situation where there are way too many people in the LL.

Here's a good article from last year that I just found re: accessible restrooms on planes: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/airplane-bathrooms-accessible-wheelchairs-180982646/

Probably because outside of employment issues, airlines aren't covered by the ADA. There is an act that covers them, (Air Accessibility or something like that), but no idea why there wouldn't be a requirement for larger restrooms on at least some planes.

The poster already said this wouldn't work, as they sometimes need their partner's assistance in the restroom.

I would say in the area of disability, had Disney continued to do more than they're required to do, it would have continued to get worse for other guests.

Fair enough on it not be a truly representative sample. As to your previous points, we'll just have to agree to disagree - the issues of the elderly who need to walk and the people who need to use the bathroom every 20 minutes aren't caused by the line itself, so other accommodations are available.

Ah got it, thanks!

I'm talking about the people who have been denied - in the accounts I've read, they've been very open about what they said, and then complained that they were denied.

If Disney was granting you the DAS based on your disabilities, then of course you weren't taking advantage of the system as it was at that time. But it's not unreasonable, IMO, to tell people that can't stand in line to use a mobility aid to assist them rather than granting a DAS.

I wouldn't assume it is for people who genuinely have those issues, as Disney has been pretty clear that it's not. That doesn't mean people can't apply, and some might be approved, but it seems they are a distinct minority.

Exactly. Fortunately, it's not up to the individual guest to determine what they "need" v. what they "want".

My understanding is that Disney was awarded court costs in the GAC-to-DAS lawsuit, but not sure if they got that money or not, or if they even pursued it.