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Are you really using Covid as justification for why Disney couldn’t build a fountain?

People have now shared three different photos of art in concept art and you’ve found an excuse for all of them. That should tell you something about why people are skeptical about this new area having water “features”.

If you’re going to make this claim over and over again, you actually do need to provide proof. You still haven’t defined water features. Remember this? There’s a fountain the back. That does not exist. It is no a planter. So how can you say all these water “features” you’re promising so...

But how do you know that? Just continuing to state it does not make it true. If you’re going to say with so much certainty there’s going to be water, you actually need to provide something to back it up. You also can’t define water features. You are also missing my bigger point here that a small...

Just continuing to state this without any actual proof doesn’t make it true. You also can’t discount the most recent example of Disney promising a water feature and cutting it to try to prove your point. Honesrly, ca you really compare waterfalls (maybe) and whatever you mean by “water...

How? How can you possibly guarantee that? And they “may have water” but one or two waterfalls and a small stream will not make up for what we are losing. And I can’t believe anyone actually believes it does.

The idea of Echo Lake makes me so sad, but if they’re willing to bulldoze ROA, it shouldn’t surprise me. 😭 Yep. Not being in the artwork means people can’t get mad when the water isn’t there. But why?! Why are they not reconsidering? 😭 It just seems completely insane that of all the...

He also said they’re nowhere near the scope or scale of the river. So why should we be excited about them?

Because *maybe a waterfall and a stream cannot replace what is already there. And *maybe having water and shade also doesn’t solve the other issue which is cars does not belong in Frontierland.

This is how I feel as well. The actual product lately always gets watered down from the original concept art. I hate to say how much faith I’ve lost in Imagineering but I just have no hope that this “expansion” will end up being good. I read his entire feed and it didn’t make me feel better...

But if Cars doesn’t open until 2029 as speculated above (which feels insanely long to me), if effects started to be felt in 2027, couldn’t that still impact the budget for Cars? Sure the general land will be there along with the attractions but the smaller, finishing touches, like all the water...

And this is one of the things that terrifies me. If attendance drops because of EU, revenue likely drops too. That’ll lead to budget cuts and this project that “they put a lot of thought into” according to a tweet from Bill Zanetti earlier will be slashed. Then we lose the river for nothing.

Geysers and maybe a waterfall does not make up for the complete loss of the river. They are not even close to comparable. Which kind of makes it worse if that *is the case. It’d come across like Disney doesn’t care about WDW enough to come up with a new idea for it. Even when they’re doing the...

If they even happen. You know water features are the first things cut. (See: Epcot redo)

You really think one small section of water makes up for them bulldozing the entire river? That that small piece makes this all okay?

Which is part of the problem. They’re fuzzy because they probably know when budget cuts hit they’ll be the first to go. Just like the fountain in World Celebration (which for what it’s worth, I actually think overall is an improvement over what was there before. Which should tell people...

What water features? Please point them out because I see one waterfall on the concept art and that’s it. I normally defend Disney when they make changes to the parks. I try to see the good even if I’m sad to see a favorite attraction go. But I can’t ger behind this change. They are ripping out...

Seeing these posts about how restricted registration may have been, I’m feeling extra grateful to have gotten in. I registered yesterday for my first Dopey!!

I know that no one can really answer this question because no one can see the future, but I’m planning to go to Epcot tomorrow for the last showing. I have the day off thankfully. Does anyone have any recommendations for a time to get to Epcot?

Oh my gosh I loved the DJ in WWoS. My favorite line of his when I was going by was "How did they manage to build Osceola Parkway uphill in both directions?" :joyfull: