News Disney Springs Bus Service to Resorts Now Requires Reservation Verification

[Casper Gutman]

*eyeroll* - I’ve got a AP, Magic Key and D23 Gold and I love visiting Disney.

I can be critical of a bus / transportation policy and still have a great time at Disney. Lol.

I’ll definitely be watching this and consider one of the value hotels instead of the Wyndham on my next trips.

Can’t you see, Aiden’s just a victim of your nasty bullying.

 

[Chi84]

That’s a pretty common (like 99% of the time) occurrence

No no no…

You can’t spend a dime and make legitimate comments calling for improvement. Nope.

Because it could affect someone’s 3 year countdown to vacation in the Midwest or rust belt…
Nope. It’s unmagical.

Of course you can spend money at Disney and make legitimate comments calling for improvement! That happens every day on these boards.

I've lost count of the number of posters legitimately complaining about the nickel and diming, as well as discontinuing Magical Express, luggage service and all the other things that made Disney special.

You routinely call those people fools for continuing to go to Disney and spend their money as they see fit in order to make their vacation work for them.

 

[Agent H]

Aiden, I don’t know what kind of person you are off these boards and I’ve defended you against personal attacks, but your behavior here is uniformly poor. You post nasty attacks and ad hominems and when enough posters call you on it you offer a disingenuous non-apology that tries to position yourself as the victim before immediately resuming the same behavior. You’ve done this repeatedly. You rarely engage meaningfully with debates and discussions and your posts are almost all knee-jerk, thoughtless boosterism.

From the way you clog threads with predictable nastiness I’m tempted to depict you as a mirror image of Raleigh, but Raleigh can sometimes make thoughtful points and never claims his behavior is anything other then what it is. It’s more accurate to say your importing some of the worst habits found on Twitter and other social media outlets to these boards.

I’m not a big fan of either of them (They’re both far too mean towards people that have different opinions then them far too often for my tastes) but at least I feel like I can understand what Aiden says most of the time whereas I feel like I can never be 100 percent sure what point SirWalter is trying to make. (Not exactly the highest of praise I know) I think you’re pretty spot on with the comparison.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Aiden, I don’t know what kind of person you are off these boards and I’ve defended you against personal attacks, but your behavior here is uniformly poor. You post nasty attacks and ad hominems and when enough posters call you on it you offer a disingenuous non-apology that tries to position yourself as the victim before immediately resuming the same behavior. You’ve done this repeatedly. You rarely engage meaningfully with debates and discussions and your posts are almost all knee-jerk, thoughtless boosterism.

From the way you clog threads with predictable nastiness I’m tempted to depict you as a mirror image of Raleigh, but Raleigh can sometimes make thoughtful points and never claims his behavior is anything other then what it is. It’s more accurate to say your importing some of the worst habits found on Twitter and other social media outlets to these boards.

Hey!!

That’s misrepresenting how irredeemable I am.

Take it back!!!

 

[Chi84]

Aiden, I don’t know what kind of person you are off these boards and I’ve defended you against personal attacks, but your behavior here is uniformly poor. You post nasty attacks and ad hominems and when enough posters call you on it you offer a disingenuous non-apology that tries to position yourself as the victim before immediately resuming the same behavior. You’ve done this repeatedly. You rarely engage meaningfully with debates and discussions and your posts are almost all knee-jerk, thoughtless boosterism.

From the way you clog threads with predictable nastiness I’m tempted to depict you as a mirror image of Raleigh, but Raleigh can sometimes make thoughtful points and never claims his behavior is anything other then what it is. It’s more accurate to say your importing some of the worst habits found on Twitter and other social media outlets to these boards.

That’s quite the arrogant lecture.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I can never be 100 percent sure what point SirWalter is trying to make. (Not exactly the highest of praise I know)

100%? That would be tough to pull off for anyone in this little mind experiment we participate in here…

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Aiden, I don’t know what kind of person you are off these boards and I’ve defended you against personal attacks, but your behavior here is uniformly poor. You post nasty attacks and ad hominems and when enough posters call you on it you offer a disingenuous non-apology that tries to position yourself as the victim before immediately resuming the same behavior. You’ve done this repeatedly. You rarely engage meaningfully with debates and discussions and your posts are almost all knee-jerk, thoughtless boosterism.

From the way you clog threads with predictable nastiness I’m tempted to depict you as a mirror image of Raleigh, but Raleigh can sometimes make thoughtful points and never claims his behavior is anything other then what it is. It’s more accurate to say your importing some of the worst habits found on Twitter and other social media outlets to these boards.

I hear what you're trying to say, even if I don't fully agree with the way you're framing it.

I'm not going to pretend that I've handled everything perfectly and that I haven't resorted to making some oneliner "gotchas" instead of making a true point. I've definitely gotten sharper over the last few months but I've been dealing with a lot of outside things right now (not an excuse, more explains what is going on) but I really am trying to rein it in a little bit.

What I won't do is pretend this shift happened in a vacuum. A lot of what you're describing as kneejerk or nasty is, from how I see it, just reflecting the tone already used on me. It's in no way ideal but I think it's just how things have escalated online.

That said, I don't think it's accurate to say I never engage meaningfully. I try to make actual points and reviews. I do armchair imagineering every so often and participate in those games because they are something I enjoy. And in threads on the forums/news side where I try to say something, I'm dismissed because I have been reduced to a label already which is just hard to come back from. After a while, it wears on you when you're not taken seriously and you're just called a shill or a kid or whatever. It's probably contributed to me leaning into the shorter and more blunt replies than I should.

I'll take the comparison to SirWalter on the chin I guess because we do often kinda go at it but I do think I try to make more of a point to actually discuss than he does. Like I said, I'm working on that and I can be called out when I fail to meet the standard and I will back down because sometimes I just genuinely don't realize that my sarcasm was taken for hostility. I have a very dry sense of humor and I don't think it comes across right without hearing the tone that I say it in my head.

So while I do want to improve my overall posting and still WILL be, it's an ongoing process that I still fail at sometimes but I won't pretend this is some one-sided thing or that every post I make is empty noise but I truly don't think it is either.

If the goal is a better discussion, I'm fully on board with that and I am striving to get a better handle on how I express what I'm trying to say. Not trying to dismiss it off but I am trying to be sincere in how I feel personally :/

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I’m not a big fan of either of them (They’re both far too mean towards people that have different opinions then them far too often for my tastes) but at least I feel like I can understand what Aiden says most of the time whereas I feel like I can never be 100 percent sure what point SirWalter is trying to make. (Not exactly the highest of praise I know) I think you’re pretty spot on with the comparison.

Same with your point, I think I've just grown jaded and needed a little time away or something. I'm working on it to stop the unnecessary comments but I will point out that I could fill a book with the unnecessary comments that I've seen from others as well

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Well I wouldn’t need to pay for parking, I get that free. And I have other options, it’s just 1 less option.

1 less option isn’t a big deal unless you set out from the Wyndham with a plan that was based on that option. Then I’d be very annoyed.

IF Disney had publicly notified people of this policy change - then at least everyone could plan accordingly. But that isn’t the case as far as I know.

Well, I do see you there.

I honestly am not around very often during the super busy months because it just sounds miserable to me so I pick the slower inbetween times.

But when I've been there, it's so packed that I get why there is changes to the rules.

At the same time, I definitely think Disney could have handled it better as a announced policy

 

[flynnibus]

It suggests that to avoid taking an Uber from MCO to your Disney resort, you take the $2 Lynx bus to Disney Springs and get on your resort bus there.

Who on their vacation has time for crap like that?

I mean, I know what you mean about information feeds, spreading, etc.. but this kind of content is why not everyone should have a broadcast

 

[flynnibus]

Reddit right now is full of people complaining that they can't just park at DS and then spend a day resort hopping to look at lobbies.

and reddit is just a scum pond for many non-hardcore topics.. Disney included. And this is great example why...

 

[Chi84]

I hear what you're trying to say, even if I don't fully agree with the way you're framing it.

I'm not going to pretend that I've handled everything perfectly and that I haven't resorted to making some oneliner "gotchas" instead of making a true point. I've definitely gotten sharper over the last few months but I've been dealing with a lot of outside things right now (not an excuse, more explains what is going on) but I really am trying to rein it in a little bit.

What I won't do is pretend this shift happened in a vacuum. A lot of what you're describing as kneejerk or nasty is, from how I see it, just reflecting the tone already used on me. It's in no way ideal but I think it's just how things have escalated online.

That said, I don't think it's accurate to say I never engage meaningfully. I try to make actual points and reviews. I do armchair imagineering every so often and participate in those games because they are something I enjoy. And in threads on the forums/news side where I try to say something, I'm dismissed because I have been reduced to a label already which is just hard to come back from. After a while, it wears on you when you're not taken seriously and you're just called a shill or a kid or whatever. It's probably contributed to me leaning into the shorter and more blunt replies than I should.

I'll take the comparison to SirWalter on the chin I guess because we do often kinda go at it but I do think I try to make more of a point to actually discuss than he does. Like I said, I'm working on that and I can be called out when I fail to meet the standard and I will back down because sometimes I just genuinely don't realize that my sarcasm was taken for hostility. I have a very dry sense of humor and I don't think it comes across right without hearing the tone that I say it in my head.

So while I do want to improve my overall posting and still WILL be, it's an ongoing process that I still fail at sometimes but I won't pretend this is some one-sided thing or that every post I make is empty noise but I truly don't think it is either.

If the goal is a better discussion, I'm fully on board with that and I am striving to get a better handle on how I express what I'm trying to say. Not trying to dismiss it off but I am trying to be sincere in how I feel personally :/

The labels are unnecessary and demeaning. It’s not surprising to “lose it” every so often.

The self-reflection in this post is much more mature than anything you’ll see from the people throwing out those labels.

 

[Baloo124]

It amazes me how people who have the wherewithal to afford a Disney vacation can’t figure out how to wipe their own butt when they get there.

That's why it's worth the airfare$$ to go the extra miles to Tokyo Disney. The toilets in Japan are glorious.

 

[Agent H]

I hear what you're trying to say, even if I don't fully agree with the way you're framing it.

I'm not going to pretend that I've handled everything perfectly and that I haven't resorted to making some oneliner "gotchas" instead of making a true point. I've definitely gotten sharper over the last few months but I've been dealing with a lot of outside things right now (not an excuse, more explains what is going on) but I really am trying to rein it in a little bit.

What I won't do is pretend this shift happened in a vacuum. A lot of what you're describing as kneejerk or nasty is, from how I see it, just reflecting the tone already used on me. It's in no way ideal but I think it's just how things have escalated online.

That said, I don't think it's accurate to say I never engage meaningfully. I try to make actual points and reviews. I do armchair imagineering every so often and participate in those games because they are something I enjoy. And in threads on the forums/news side where I try to say something, I'm dismissed because I have been reduced to a label already which is just hard to come back from. After a while, it wears on you when you're not taken seriously and you're just called a shill or a kid or whatever. It's probably contributed to me leaning into the shorter and more blunt replies than I should.

I'll take the comparison to SirWalter on the chin I guess because we do often kinda go at it but I do think I try to make more of a point to actually discuss than he does. Like I said, I'm working on that and I can be called out when I fail to meet the standard and I will back down because sometimes I just genuinely don't realize that my sarcasm was taken for hostility. I have a very dry sense of humor and I don't think it comes across right without hearing the tone that I say it in my head.

So while I do want to improve my overall posting and still WILL be, it's an ongoing process that I still fail at sometimes but I won't pretend this is some one-sided thing or that every post I make is empty noise but I truly don't think it is either.

If the goal is a better discussion, I'm fully on board with that and I am striving to get a better handle on how I express what I'm trying to say. Not trying to dismiss it off but I am trying to be sincere in how I feel personally :/

Just try to remember that most of the comments that call people pixie dusters and constantly bring up certain people’s ages (Remember kids ageism is wrong in both directions!) come from the same handful of people who I think we would all be better off ignoring. Most people who lean predominantly negative about Disney current business practices aren’t nearly that bad. We’re all fans of the same things generally speaking and it’s important to keep that in mind.

Like I said, I'm working on that and I can be called out when I fail to meet the standard and I will back down because sometimes I just genuinely don't realize that my sarcasm was taken for hostility. I have a very dry sense of humor and I don't think it comes across right without hearing the tone that I say it in my head.

Scarcasm isn’t the problem. @MisterPenguin uses sarcasm quite frequently to great comedic effect and I don’t think he’s generally seen as overly rude.

 

[flynnibus]

Face the problem that you are actually trying to solve...

• Disney wants cars going to theme parks to goto the theme park lots
• Disney wants cars going to Disney Springs as their destination to goto DS
• Disney wants the resort lots to be used for resort bound uses
• Disney doesn't want people skirting parking fees by going to other lots

or put more generally...

• Disney wants all their lots to be used for their intended purpose so they can be right sized and not pickup 'extra' uses due to transportation or proximity

Disney doesn't want DS to be an onramp to the parks.. nor the resort lots. To make resorts and DS limited to activities intended for them - you gotta discourage staying past that activity.

The answer is time bounds and validation. Make all non-park lots pay on exit with camera based readers. Even do mobile pay-app or add your car to your MDE for auto-payment. Your outcomes should be like

Parks

• Pay on Entry - daily fee unless on-property guest
• Re-entry allowed same day at different parks

Resorts

• 0-3hrs - Free
• >3hrs - (whatever theme park parking is+$10) unless you are staying at that property

DS

• 0-3hrs - Free
• >3hrs - whatever theme park parking is+$10 OR free with validation for a big spend (like $100)

DS agreements? Work with RC to establish the time being equivalent to the need, or some other deal. Work it out.

All these corner cases like "I went to DS, but then want to goto a park" - screw that.. if the park is your final destination, you deal with the parking policies of that destination. For people going from the park to DS and back you'd be fine.. their car is going to be at the theme park or elsewhere, not DS. If someone parks at DS and DS isn't their real end-game, they should have to deal with the parking situation of that end game.

Made up cases like "I went to DS for lunch, but then want to goto the Poly for dinner" - then drive to the poly. Cases like "But I'm at a LBV hotel... " then leave your car at your hotel and use their shuttles, then Disney transportation internally.

Disney doesn't have to limit people movement on it's transportation - it just has to make it so it's a penalty to leave a car on a lot past what that lot was intended for without paying a higher rate than just parking where you should have.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

It’s okay. Just try to remember that most of the comments that call people pixie dusters and constantly bring up certain people’s ages (Remember kids ageism is wrong in both directions!) come from the same handful of people who I think we would all be better off ignoring. Most people who lean predominantly negative about Disney current business practices aren’t nearly that bad. We’re all fans of the same things generally speaking and it’s important to keep that in mind.

Scarcasm isn’t the problem. @MisterPenguin uses sarcasm quite frequently to great comedic effect and I don’t think he’s generally seen as overly rude.

Yeah I think its best to follow the advice to just block certain people out. Just the people who argue in bad faith with the unnecessary comments.

Noted, I'm not sure exactly if its just super dry humor or bad taste because I don't sincerely try to be abrasive much but more see it in a joking slinging back and forth which in hindsight is still not very productive so I'm working on it

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

The labels are unnecessary and demeaning. It’s not surprising to “lose it” every so often.

The self-reflection in this post is much more mature than anything you’ll see from the people throwing out those labels.

Well I thank you for the understanding but I still got a lot to work on.

I will just note that I've had multiple different people come to my DMS feeling similar. That they have been berated by a very vocal minority of people for their overall positive outlook. I've had multiple private chats with them so the issue has become a problem on multiple people, not just me.

anyways, actions will speak louder than words and I'm working on fixing up what I say and how it can be taken.

 

[Tha Realest]

Face the problem that you are actually trying to solve...

• Disney wants cars going to theme parks to goto the theme park lots
• Disney wants cars going to Disney Springs as their destination to goto DS
• Disney wants the resort lots to be used for resort bound uses
• Disney doesn't want people skirting parking fees by going to other lots

or put more generally...

• Disney wants all their lots to be used for their intended purpose so they can be right sized and not pickup 'extra' uses due to transportation or proximity

Yes, and it makes no sense to overtax the existing transportation infrastructure that is meant and designed to get people from A to B, or B to C, to also add A to C and F to M and the like.

Disney doesn't want DS to be an onramp to the parks.. nor the resort lots. To make resorts and DS limited to activities intended for them - you gotta discourage staying past that activity.

The answer is time bounds and validation. Make all non-park lots pay on exit with camera based readers. Even do mobile pay-app or add your car to your MDE for auto-payment. Your outcomes should be like

Parks

• Pay on Entry - daily fee unless on-property guest
• Re-entry allowed same day at different parks

Resorts

• 0-3hrs - Free
• >3hrs - (whatever theme park parking is+$10) unless you are staying at that property

DS

• 0-3hrs - Free
• >3hrs - whatever theme park parking is+$10 OR free with validation for a big spend (like $100)

DS agreements? Work with RC to establish the time being equivalent to the need, or some other deal. Work it out.

The problem with this, as I see it, are the DS tenants. They have a decided interest in parking remaining both free and plentiful. If potential customers are going to be on the hook for a parking fee before they even step foot within DS, that will cut down on traffic and affect their bottom line. Further, if the parking situation becomes untenable or increasingly unpleasant due to overcrowding or unavailability, that too will stifle prospective customers.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I cannot personally say I find him and certain other posters here’s habit of name calling, age shaming, and overt implications that they find the people they’re speaking to to be stupid sarcastic. It is above all especially not productive to good board environment.

I can assure you it’s BEYOND stupid sarcastic…I happen to know that guy. We play pickleball on Tuesdays.

You also don’t see name calling. I don’t have personal animousity for anyone here…even those I almost never share opinions with. We all in the end want mostly the same things.

I will call out certain strawman arguments. Like “everything is more expensive”. Yes…but that isn’t the same as excusing Lower quality or bad efforts by a corporation that’s stock traded. Our responsibility as free Marketers is not to splain that away. I don’t want the fox in my henhouse.

“Age shaming” isn’t what I do. What I do is call out adamant disputes by those that argue things they haven’t seen…wisdom not gained…because they didn’t see it. It’s not “personal truth” that interests me…it’s thoughtful observation.

 

[monothingie]

Hey!!

That’s misrepresenting how irredeemable I am.

Take it back!!!

You’re number 1 irredeemable in my eyes!