News Coco Boat Ride Coming to Disney California Adventure

[DL-fan]

Huh?

No ride Disney has built the last two decades has been that long.

I think this thread is starting to become a little ridiculous with all the assumptions and delusional takes. Once they release more concept art and maybe a model of the attraction then we can speculate more realistically.

Shanghai’s Pirates is 9 minutes long and 5-6 minute ride runtimes doesn’t have to be the bar for the length of a Disney ride. I especially think that any slow moving boat ride they build (only 5 in the last twenty five years) should be more than five minutes, Disney can do better and should do better.

 

[eddie104]

And whose fault is that? We were shown models and details for most of the WDW projects, but the DCA projects have been clouded in mystery for some reason.

Yea that’s unfortunate for you guys.

DL fans at least deserve an Avengers model for how long that project has been in the works.

A ride vehicle showcase or something.

Shanghai’s Pirates is 9 minutes long and 5-6 minute ride runtimes doesn’t have to be the bar for the length of a Disney ride. I especially think that any slow moving boat ride they build (only 5 in the last twenty five years) should be more than five minutes, Disney can do better and should do better.

That’s true and I forgot about Pirates.

I just don’t think Coco is gonna be a 8 minute ride. Also length doesn’t determine whether attraction is good or not as well all know.

 

[DL-fan]

Yea that’s unfortunate for you guys.

DL fans at least deserve an Avengers model for how long that project has been in the works.

A ride vehicle showcase or something.

That’s true and I forgot about Pirates.

I just don’t think Coco is gonna be a 8 minute ride. Also length doesn’t determine whether attraction is good or not as well all know.

length doesn’t determine that, yes but in regards to a water based attraction, theyre usually slow moving and the story is not fleshed out properly imo. An Example of that being the Tangled ride in Tokyo while the six minute Frozen ride was done amazingly.

 

[Disney Irish]

I am still waiting and seeing as well. Until it goes vertical or we see a footprint anything is possible. I am hopeful they remove all 3 building to build Coco. or maybe even in the future take the more buildings to keep expanding. I am giving an opinion based on current available information. You just keeping coming back at me with saying basically I am wrong and using your opinion as the evidence. So of course, I am going to reply with information that supports my opinion. I don't think I have ever said this is it and final. This thread has 104 pages of peoples opinion that's all supported on possibilities. I am just giving another side to it.
Now you have given me something to think about is the Ellens situation but I am still reading into it. Just as much as you have convinced yourself this building is being demo'd which if I recalled correctly you started with all 3 building but now only talk about this one when more evidence has presented itself.

We’re all giving our opinions based on available information. And no one is right or wrong here when it’s all speculation, which it is at this point, but there are some things that are just known when discussing construction at a Disney park like how Maintenance does things on their own schedule even when things are about to be demoed. So this is not about coming at you, just making sure you’re aware.

Also, my opinion is still that I would think that they would take all three buildings so that hasn’t really changed. I’m just going along with the flow of the conversation based on things we know.

 

[BrianLo]

Huh?

No ride Disney has built the last two decades has been that long.

Voyage of the Crystal grotto is 10. B&TB in Tokyo is also 8 minutes. Rise deserves an asterisks. Boat rides tend to run longer, so I don’t think it’s delusional in this one specific circumstance. They just haven’t built a lot of boat rides.

However, as much as I side on apologist, I’ve always anticipated a D ticket at 6-7 minutes. I think if we get a C ticket out of this (Tangled and Navi at 5 minutes), there is some deserved criticism for the way Josh chose to frame the attraction using language comparing the ride to Pirates and Haunted Mansion.

 

[BrianLo]

I'm not following you, could you explain a bit more? Which section of road would need to be replaced by when, and why?

This road here is the contiguous backstage loop. To realign it they’d first need to build a new one in the section that they are working on. They can’t close it until then.

 

[DrStarlander]

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This road here is the contiguous backstage loop. To realign it they’d first need to build a new one in the section that they are working on. They can’t close it until then.

By realign it, do you mean replace it with a perimeter service road along the west edge, near the new fence (with required landscape in between)? And if so, are you thinking that the parade route would go away, or that the Coco attraction (or at least entry/queue) would be bounded by roads on either side?

Assuming (for now, by me) that parade building is staying, I created some land availability options with a perimeter service road; if any of these seem the most likely I'd be interested in hearing it. Likewise, if you have a different possibility in mind.

(I can think of lots more ambitious options including service tunnels, etc. but kept to the most basic approaches.)

 

[BrianLo]

By realign it, do you mean replace it with a perimeter service road along the west edge, near the new fence (with required landscape in between)? And if so, are you thinking that the parade route would go away, or that the Coco attraction (or at least entry/queue) would be bounded by roads on either side?

Assuming (for now, by me) that parade building is staying, I created some land availability options with a perimeter service road; if any of these seem the most likely I'd be interested in hearing it. Likewise, if you have a different possibility in mind.

(I can think of lots more ambitious options including service tunnels, etc. but kept to the most basic approaches.)
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Yes, semantically replace since they’ve still torn up the service road, but I think the new boundary of the backstage road will be approximately where the service road was, as you’ve drawn.

It just doesn’t seem elegant to have guests traverse an active backstage road and I really still am hedging that the concept art looks like coco is hugging the coaster.

No idea what is going on with the parade building! We’ll see.

 

[DrStarlander]

but I think the new boundary of the backstage road will be approximately where the service road was.

I don't quite get the meaning of this, as that existing road is a curvy road. But I'm guessing you mean the new service road will match the service road relationship to the property line behind Paradise Gardens...and that it would continue like that all along the fence to the south?

(In my diagrams, I took the service road and landscape from SWGE perimeter a placeholder.)

 

[BrianLo]

I don't quite get the meaning of this, as that existing road is a curvy road. But I'm guessing you mean the new service road will match the service road relationship to the property line behind Paradise Gardens...and that it would continue like that all along the fence to the south?

(In my diagrams, I took the service road and landscape from SWGE perimeter a placeholder.)

Ya sorry! Ultimately both roads are being completely torn out was the point I was getting across and a new one made. Approximating the boundary line would seem right.

Just to say if that is happening like I think it is, we won’t see work to remove the second road until the new third one is ready.

 

[DrStarlander]

Ya sorry! Ultimately both roads are being completely torn out was the point I was getting across and a new one made. Approximating the boundary line would seem right.

Just to say if that is happening like I think it is, we won’t see work to remove the second road until the new third one is ready.

If a new perimeter service road is coming all along the fence, I think watching for activity at this spot is key, including permits for demo of these structures which would be in the way of that alignment.

 

[ThemeParkTraveller]

Frozen Ever After Disneyland Paris that just opened is just under 8 minutes for a recent reference.

A typical ride cycle is likely closer to 6 minutes, similar to the Hong Kong version. In that video, the boat was held at the final scene longer than usual due to backlog at the station.

 

[mickEblu]

If Coco looks/ feels like the first two scenes of this ride I’d be cool with that. The room with the twinkling lights looks like it could double as a cenote. The ride sort of falls apart in the ice palace for me.

 

[eddie104]

Voyage of the Crystal grotto is 10. B&TB in Tokyo is also 8 minutes. Rise deserves an asterisks. Boat rides tend to run longer, so I don’t think it’s delusional in this one specific circumstance. They just haven’t built a lot of boat rides.

However, as much as I side on apologist, I’ve always anticipated a D ticket at 6-7 minutes. I think if we get a C ticket out of this (Tangled and Navi at 5 minutes), there is some deserved criticism for the way Josh chose to frame the attraction using language comparing the ride to Pirates and Haunted Mansion.

How come I never realized BATB was 8 minutes?

So I stand corrected in that sense that yes they do build some longer rides however it’s rare. Rise is a whole experience from start to finish so it’s in whole other category of attractions.

Coco is probably gonna be within that 5-6 minute mark. That’s the modern Disney standard for the most part.

 

[DrStarlander]

Since some of us are talking about Tangled as a potential model for Coco, and we're also talking about how they might handle the service road, it's worth wondering if they may borrow the approach they took for the elevated service road over the tunnel into Fantasy Springs. It's a way to get the walkway and service road grades separated, create some visual blockage of the Pixar Place Hotel, and an enticing entry to a bridge to Simba.

 

[DrStarlander]

...for clarity, something like this:

 

[Adventureland Veranda]

...for clarity, something like this:

That's probably what we're most likely getting, but I keep thinking they may plop down the Mexico pavilion themed to Coco. The entire building will fit without any more demo besides the little utility building.

Swap out the Mayan temple for the graveyard lit up at night, it would look incredible. It'll hide the coaster and noise as well.

 

[DrStarlander]

That's probably what we're most likely getting, but I keep thinking they may plop down the Mexico pavilion themed to Coco. The entire building will fit without any more demo besides the little utility building.

Swap out the Mayan temple for the graveyard lit up at night, it would look incredible. It'll hide the coaster and noise as well.

Here's the Mexico pavilion dropped in at scale:

Orange Grove 55 put on a good video on Coco speculation, with an interesting theory (which I won't spoil).

In watching the video and looking at the Pixar gate between Boardwalk and Incredicoaster, I just wonder is there enough room there for a walkway leading ultimately to Simba (with Coco along the way)? It could be such a choke point, like some of the worst inside Disneyland.

 

[Adventureland Veranda]

If they can knock down the Pixar Place Hotel, assuming that's allowed someday, the bridge can go somewhere else like near Sky School. I think Simba is going to become 2 new resorts along with some theme park space. Just a theory.

 

[mickEblu]

Here's the Mexico pavilion dropped in at scale:
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Orange Grove 55 put on a good video on Coco speculation, with an interesting theory (which I won't spoil).

In watching the video and looking at the Pixar gate between Boardwalk and Incredicoaster, I just wonder is there enough room there for a walkway leading ultimately to Simba (with Coco along the way)? It could be such a choke point, like some of the worst inside Disneyland.
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Ugh. A perfect fit lol. And why they needed to only demo the tiny building in front of it. Yep that maintenance building is staying folks.