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Is everything just IP mandate quota now?

wdwfan4ver

Well-Known Member
Disney used to be a good company, making good products for good people,

but everything has been really, REALLY bad lately

I mean, let's be completely honest. The last original attraction that wasn't tied in to a movie franchise was Expedition Everest at Animal Kingdom in 2006.

That's 20 years ago.

And they just took out Tom Sawyer Island

They've just given up completely, no?
Tom Sawyer Island is something deeper than you make it. Tom Sawyer Island had been rumored to go away for decades at Magic Kingdom. What happen now is the person in charge WDW wants to save money and explains why everything from Rivers of America is gone.

Tom Sawyer Island is based of an IP, it wasn't overly busy. I went to WDW in 2022, and it wasn't that busy on the multiple days I went to Magic Kingdom based on what I saw on the Liberty Belle. Same thing from 2016 to 2019.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
Tom Sawyer Island is something deeper than you make it. Tom Sawyer Island had been rumored to go away for decades at Magic Kingdom. What happen now is the person in charge WDW wants to save money and explains why everything from Rivers of America is gone.

Tom Sawyer Island is based of an IP, it wasn't overly busy. I went to WDW in 2022, and it wasn't that busy on the multiple days I went to Magic Kingdom based on what I saw on the Liberty Belle. Same thing from 2016 to 2019.
At least DL was smart enough to keep their river and while I don't care for the Pirates Lair at least the island is still there since DL actually gives a crap about their park and its history unlike the soulless accountants at TDO.
 

Salted Nut Roll

Active Member
I'm in the camp that I don't think IPs are bad in and of themselves, but the problem comes when Disney relies on the IP to do all the heavy lifting. As long as an attraction is based on a recognizable franchise, making the ride itself unique or interesting is often seen as secondary. Have there been exceptions recently? Sure. I really enjoy both Star Wars rides in Galaxy's Edge. Rise has such a fun ride system and has genuinely impressive show pieces. Smugglers isn't as exciting a ride, but at least they tried something new by making it an interactive and somewhat collaborative experience.

But the "slap a current IP on it and people will love it" model has been so pervasive lately. The biggest example I can think of is the Pixarization of Paradise Pier in DCA. I loved DCA in the 2010's. I viewed it as a love letter to old-time Southern California, and it worked really well that way. And while I dislike Cars as a franchise, I enjoy Cars Land. It's well-themed and, due to the movie being inspired by Route 66 and Southwest Americana, it still felt on-theme for the park. It's an IP that makes sense to be there and was designed with intention.
But Disney execs looked at DCA and saw that we needed MOAR IPs! And so they slapped new paint on every attraction, snack cart, and trash can, renamed everything, and called it good. So now we have Primary Color Overload and rides that had to be re-skinned in order to be "on brand." California Screamin was a fun, classic roller coaster that didn't need to be anything more than that. And while I don't think adding the Incdredibles IP "ruined" the ride, I found that the dialogue and the attempt at fitting a story into the ride detracted from the simple fun of just riding a coaster over the boardwalk. The rest of the rides simply got a new name (I don't know what it is about it, but my eye twitches every time I see the name "Pixar Pal-Around" on the Ferris wheel), and Pixar characters added to it. There was no effort or innovation to the change. It was just rebranding for the sake of adding IPs.

And I think that's where the problem is. It's not that IP-based attractions can't be good. It's when they're shoehorned in or slapped together with no real thought that's frustrating.

Things have gotten really messy now that Disney owns so many IPs. They have to have a place to put their Star Wars stuff, and their Marvel stuff, and their Fox stuff. So IP "lands" and attractions get placed wherever there's room for them, and other rides are pushed out in favor of more "profitable" IPs (i.e., GotG replacing DCA's Tower of Terror, or the retheming of the 20,000 Leagues subs in DLR to Finding Nemo). It's getting harder and harder to keep lands cohesive when they're essentially sitting on a hoarder house worth of IPs.

I do wish that we could have more original rides. I work at a preschool within a couple hours' drive of DLR. Kids go there for Birthdays or special occasions. And when they come back, the rides they always talk about are Pirates and Haunted Mansion. Neither of them are IP-based, yet they remain iconic and relevant, even for the youngest kids. It would be great to get something truly original again. Sadly, that ship seems to have sailed.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Tom Sawyer Island is something deeper than you make it. Tom Sawyer Island had been rumored to go away for decades at Magic Kingdom. What happen now is the person in charge WDW wants to save money and explains why everything from Rivers of America is gone.

Tom Sawyer Island is based of an IP, it wasn't overly busy. I went to WDW in 2022, and it wasn't that busy on the multiple days I went to Magic Kingdom based on what I saw on the Liberty Belle. Same thing from 2016 to 2019.
That's another thing I don't like. Just cause am attraction doesn't have long waits doesn't mean it's bad. Parks need low wait attractions to offset the busy ones.
 

PiratesMansion

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That's another thing I don't like. Just cause am attraction doesn't have long waits doesn't mean it's bad. Parks need low wait attractions to offset the busy ones.
I can't believe that we're in the place where people argue that having attractions that you can reliably do without waits is bad.

One of the best things about Disneyland is that I can be there on Christmas Day or some other equivalently packed day and still have like ten things that I can reliably do at the most crowded point of the day with little wait and little effort expended on my part, even if everything else is insane. That's an enormous asset to have as a park! But many newer fans would legit bulldoze them due to some misguided sense to make things relevant, as if pop culture relevance is the only thing determining whether or not something is of value.

To extend this idea and hopefully show how flawed it truly is, I just spent a few days at Dollywood. Great park of course, and it's grown a lot since I was last there, over ten years ago. The place was busy, and there were hour long waits to get onto the big coasters, but no wait at all to visit the Dolly museum, the replica of her home, maybe a five minute wait to go into her tour bus. There were also many, MANY unclaimed seats at the Celebrity Theater within the park where my family saw an incredible show about Dolly's life, complete with a live orchestra, an overture, and at least six or seven performers representing Dolly at various points of her life, in addition to a talented chorus of performers. By the logic of many people here in threads about things like Muppets, TSI, etc., they should have ripped the Dolly out of Dollywood long ago!
 

Professortango1

Well-Known Member
I don't know what it is about it, but my eye twitches every time I see the name "Pixar Pal-Around" on the Ferris wheel
I always laugh because who's visage is big and most prominent on the PIXAR Pal-Around? Mickey freaking Mouse. Is Disney selling their mascot to Pixar? Or did they just not care about the third rebrand and just shrug away Mickey Mouse being the face of the Pixar Pal-Around/Pixar Pier.

It's almost like making the pier branded to a group of IPs was a bad decision rather than just keeping it as a Victorian Pier where a variety of IPs and original ideas could co-exist without Disney ending up with egg on their face.
 

Tom Morrow

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I hate, hate, hate the ridiculous talking point that people who actually like the IP mandate spew - that kids don't care about things they don't already know about.

This. Is. False!!! Kids will and do like any ride that is executed well. We have literally decades of proof of this, with successful attractions that everyone, including kids, have loved despite not being attached to anything they're already familiar with. Often I suspect that Disney actually has a team of people to spread this false talking point online to shift the narrative. They want less pushback for their increasingly lazy additions and replacements that are chosen because they look good as shareholder presentation bullet points. not because they're actually the best attraction additions for their respective parks. Sadly, too many people have already forgotten that WDW wasn't always a place where characters were slapped on every experience.

"Kids would rather have a Tangled boat ride than Rhine River Cruise." - if Rhine River Cruise was an awesome ride and the Tangled ride was just more low effort pandering, then, get this - kids would like Rhine River Cruise more. If a kid truly can't enjoy thing they're not already familiar with, then that is a failure of the parents

Another talking point the "all IP" crowd loves to perpetuate is the fact that Disneyland opened as mostly IP - yes, but they expanded through the 60's and beyond with original creations, and THAT is the Disneyland and WDW that people are nostalgic for. Nobody anywhere is actually clamoring for a return to opening day or even opening decade Disneyland.
 

Brer Panther

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DL’s Tomorrowland would like a word…
And y'know why they haven't updated it? They don't have any popular space-themed IPs that aren't already being used in the park!

Well, aside from Lilo and Stitch. Maybe the backlash for Stitch's Great Escape scared them away from doing another Stitch attraction, but I highly doubt it.
I always laugh because who's visage is big and most prominent on the PIXAR Pal-Around? Mickey freaking Mouse. Is Disney selling their mascot to Pixar? Or did they just not care about the third rebrand and just shrug away Mickey Mouse being the face of the Pixar Pal-Around/Pixar Pier.
Weren't they originally going to replace Mickey's head with the Luxo Jr. ball?
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
Weren't they originally going to replace Mickey's head with the Luxo Jr. ball?
That would have made a lot more sense. Pixar Pier is one of the worst thought out concepts in Disney history. Notice also that they could not think of new themes for Silly Symphony Swings, Goofy's Sky School or the Golden Zephyr so they conveniently sectioned them off into a completely different land. Quite convenient.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
Honestly, putting Nemo in the Living Seas sounds like a good idea ON PAPER, and I think the stuff in the actual Sea Base Alpha section of the pavilion is done well. It's the ride and its execution that's the problem.
A Nemo exhibit or two in Seabase Alpha would have been fine. I was okay with Turtle talk when it was new. My issue always has been that they let Nemo invade the entire pavilion and made the pavilion less about "The Seas" and more about Nemo and gave the pavilion a new name that would likely turn anyone older than 7 off instantly.
 

JD80

Well-Known Member
Kids would like anything that's fun. IP or otherwise. If a kid gets to also experience that attraction while also living in the world of one of their favorite stories? That's even better.

Every year Disney has more and more IP to chose from because they keep making more content.

I'm a big Star Wars nerd, and my favorite experience in all of WDW is pulling the lever in the Falcon to go to hyperspace. You can't match it anywhere.

If it was a original space adventure story that was fun? Much less of an impact.

That's why Disney has an IP mandate. It's those moments.

From a business point of view, using a popular IP is so much less of a risk of an original. It's up to WDI to make it fit.
 

Biff215

Well-Known Member
Kids would like anything that's fun. IP or otherwise. If a kid gets to also experience that attraction while also living in the world of one of their favorite stories? That's even better.

Every year Disney has more and more IP to chose from because they keep making more content.

I'm a big Star Wars nerd, and my favorite experience in all of WDW is pulling the lever in the Falcon to go to hyperspace. You can't match it anywhere.

If it was a original space adventure story that was fun? Much less of an impact.

That's why Disney has an IP mandate. It's those moments.

From a business point of view, using a popular IP is so much less of a risk of an original. It's up to WDI to make it fit.
This is exactly what many are complaining about, but you’re not wrong. Disney now has 100+ years of content that they either created or acquired. They could create the next Mansion or Pirates, they just don’t need to.

Call it what you want, but I can’t really blame them for it. Even a mediocre attraction with IP seems to be popular. It’s as close to a “can’t miss” as you can get, and in today’s business world, that’s what they tend to aim for. 🤷‍♂️
 

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