News Coco Boat Ride Coming to Disney California Adventure

[AJFireman]

It could be that the show building is 15-20 feet away from that main structure and they need to clear out a truck's width path between them. Those extensions were added to the building in 2009/2010 and perhaps they're just "extra" and easily severable from the building.
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I was looking at that as well and I see it also gives access to that roll up door for Maintenance that was blocked with the addition. or also like you stated there needs to be so much space between buildings that are not attached to each other.

Here is a bigger overview to give an idea how much space was there prior.

Why remove just the overhang and storage and electrical if you're not planning on the rest of the building later on? That doesn't reclaim enough space for anything, its not even 1500 sqft, ie smaller than most queue spaces.
It could also be that they aren't fully ready to move maintenance out of that building yet, ie they are waiting for another area to be finished first like Avengers. So you demo the areas that you are ready for now to get the land clearing started and then in a month or two when you are ready to do the rest that is when the permit will be filed. As for the other permit its a filtration system replacement, if they are planning on occupying the building even for a bit longer those have to be replaced on a certain schedule, for maintenance facility that requires specific air filtration you have to keep that maintained even if you plan of moving out of it in the near future.

So I'm not ready yet to say that building is staying, my gut tells me this is just the initial phase of this demo. Just like some here didn't think they would take the service road, and yet they did. So lets wait and see.

Well seems like a waste of money and work to remove and replace the filtration system and install new backwash pumps along with new support, electrical and mechanical just to demo it within say a year. When they could just maintenance the existing equipment to keep it working until the demo. Or did all this equipment just all of sudden fail all at the same time and needs replacement? Per the City of Anaheim this permit alone is valued at 2 million dollars. I thought Disneyland was cheap?? If they were to go your route then why remove electrical substation now when they need it to power that maintenance building, I feel like power must come from another location.

Project Description: DCA - Central Maintenance Facility - Tenant Improvement: Remove and replace filtration system and associated controls. Install new backwash pumps in pit. Structural supports and anchorage for new equipment. With electrical and mechanical.

 

[DrStarlander]

Seems like there could be room for Coco retail. And it's a good spot for restrooms if a bridge is planned some day. Having this on the other side of the walkway could (with good placemaking) be helpful in creating a semblance of a themed area.

 

[Disney Irish]

It could be that the show building is 15-20 feet away from that main structure and they need to clear out a truck's width path between them. Those extensions were added to the building in 2009/2010 and perhaps they're just "extra" and easily severable from the building.
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I was looking at that as well and I see it also gives access to that roll up door for Maintenance that was blocked with the addition. or also like you stated there needs to be so much space between buildings that are not attached to each other.

Here is a bigger overview to give an idea how much space was there prior.
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Well seems like a waste of money and work to remove and replace the filtration system and install new backwash pumps along with new support, electrical and mechanical just to demo it within say a year. When they could just maintenance the existing equipment to keep it working until the demo. Or did all this equipment just all of sudden fail all at the same time and needs replacement? Per the City of Anaheim this permit alone is valued at 2 million dollars. I thought Disneyland was cheap?? If they were to go your route then why remove electrical substation now when they need it to power that maintenance building, I feel like power must come from another location.

Project Description: DCA - Central Maintenance Facility - Tenant Improvement: Remove and replace filtration system and associated controls. Install new backwash pumps in pit. Structural supports and anchorage for new equipment. With electrical and mechanical.

I’m still in a wait and see stance on this, I’m not convinced that is the only structure being demoed.

As for the permit, it’s not a WDI permit it’s for Disney Maintenance which is on a different schedule and budget than WDI is for construction. They will spend money like this and on things that seem trivial and shouldn’t be done, for example they famously replaced carpets in attractions just weeks before demo, ie see Ellen before being demoed for Cosmic Rewind. So again I wouldn’t read too much into it.

 

[mickEblu]

I’m still in a wait and see stance on this, I’m not convinced that is the only structure being demoed.

As for the permit, it’s not a WDI permit it’s for Disney Maintenance which is on a different schedule and budget than WDI is for construction. They will spend money like this and on things that seem trivial and shouldn’t be done, for example they famously replaced carpets in attractions just weeks before demo, ie see Ellen before being demoed for Cosmic Rewind. So again I wouldn’t read too much into it.

Yeah I’m not convinced it’s not going away either but it’s disheartening to think it’s a real possibility. Regardless, we were all pretty surprised and thrilled when this was announced and I don’t think any of us thought this was going to be more than a D ticket and it’s still looking like it’s going to be just that. Hopefully the execution is right.

 

[mickEblu]

I’ll settle for a darker more atmospheric version of Tangled with drops.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah I’m not convinced it’s not going away either but it’s disheartening to think it’s a real possibility. Regardless, we were all pretty surprised and thrilled when this was announced and I don’t think any of us thought this was going to be more than a D ticket and it’s still looking like it’s going to be just that. Hopefully the execution is right.

I personally never thought it was an E Ticket, or even have a drop if you remember that discussion lol. I always thought it was going to be more like Small World or similar lazy river type flume D Ticket.

And also this is why I go back to what I always say, best to wait and see and not get expectation and build something in your head ahead of time, as that only leads to disappointment. Its fine to speculate and discuss, but never put any stock in it until the finished product is released and available to us. Lots of things can happen between announcement and opening day.

 

[mickEblu]

I personally never thought it was an E Ticket, or even have a drop if you remember that discussion lol. I always thought it was going to be more like Small World or similar lazy river type flume D Ticket.

And also this is why I go back to what I always say, best to wait and see and not get expectation and build something in your head ahead of time, as that only leads to disappointment. Its fine to speculate and discuss, but never put any stock in it until the finished product is released and available to us. Lots of things can happen between announcement and opening day.

I’m pretty sure most everyone thought this was going to be a D ticket. Of course this gets into subjective territory but I’ve always maintained that HK Frozen was probably the ceiling for this which of course Disney undoubtedly considers an E but in my mind it’s more of a D+. Because if ROTR, RSR, POTC or Indy are just E’s than how can Frozen Ever After be one too? I suppose the execution matters to me more than ticket classification or scale as I’d take a D ticket with soul over a soulless E ticket any day. But an E ticket at least implies scope/ scale that will help offset some of WDI’s recent shortcomings when it comes to giving an attraction soul and atmosphere. The issue of course is Tangled reads more like a D- / C+

 

[Disney Irish]

I’m pretty sure most everyone thought this was going to be a D ticket. Of course this gets into subjective territory but I’ve always maintained that HK Frozen was probably the ceiling for this which of course Disney undoubtedly considers an E but in my mind it’s more of a D+. Because if ROTR, RSR, POTC or Indy are just E’s than how can Frozen Ever After be one too? I suppose the execution matters to me more than ticket classification or scale as I’d take a D ticket with soul over a soulless E ticket any day. But an E ticket at least implies scope/ scale that will help offset some of WDI’s recent shortcomings when it comes to giving an attraction soul and atmosphere. The issue of course is Tangled reads more like a D- / C+

The way that some were talking about this project made it seem like they were thinking it could be an E Ticket. Especially when speculation about clearing out the entire backstage area started to happen. As I know that people's eyes got real big when we started talking about the area being over 150k sqft with a potential 100k sqft attraction. I mean go back and see talk about how an entire land could fit back there, etc. So you know that people were thinking it could be an E Ticket. Heck even you talked about a "what if" scenario on if the backlot project got scaled down so this project could get more budget and be grander in scope and scale, so I suspect even you got a thought about a potential E Ticket.

Anyways, I'm still not convinced this is going to be a small attraction like Tangled. I'll judge it when we start to see foundation being poured.

 

[Adventureland Veranda]

I'll take an upgraded Gran Fiesta Tour. I've always loved that ride and El Rio del Tiempo.

 

[coffeefan]

If the building is that size, I don't think it will have a drop. Speaking of that, I remember one poster being opposed to a drop because it would scare kids. I guess it makes sense now if that person was privy to some info.

 

[mickEblu]

If the building is that size, I don't think it will have a drop. Speaking of that, I remember one poster being opposed to a drop because it would scare kids. I guess it makes sense now if that person was privy to some info.

That crossed my mind as well for whatever reason but is there any inherent reason a 30k sq foot building couldn’t have a drop?

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

I’ll settle for a darker more atmospheric version of Tangled with drops.

It's probably what we'll get. But I'm tired of "settling" for Disney. I think we all are.

 

[coffeefan]

When I joined the forums, I remember wishcasting for Coco to go in Frontierland. If the attraction is Tangled-size, it would have worked.

And if they wanted to preserve the pond, they could cover the northern portion and do a layout like this.

 

[AJFireman]

I’m still in a wait and see stance on this, I’m not convinced that is the only structure being demoed.

As for the permit, it’s not a WDI permit it’s for Disney Maintenance which is on a different schedule and budget than WDI is for construction. They will spend money like this and on things that seem trivial and shouldn’t be done, for example they famously replaced carpets in attractions just weeks before demo, ie see Ellen before being demoed for Cosmic Rewind. So again I wouldn’t read too much into it.

I am still waiting and seeing as well. Until it goes vertical or we see a footprint anything is possible. I am hopeful they remove all 3 building to build Coco. or maybe even in the future take the more buildings to keep expanding. I am giving an opinion based on current available information. You just keeping coming back at me with saying basically I am wrong and using your opinion as the evidence. So of course, I am going to reply with information that supports my opinion. I don't think I have ever said this is it and final. This thread has 104 pages of peoples opinion that's all supported on possibilities. I am just giving another side to it.
Now you have given me something to think about is the Ellens situation but I am still reading into it. Just as much as you have convinced yourself this building is being demo'd which if I recalled correctly you started with all 3 building but now only talk about this one when more evidence has presented itself.

 

[BrianLo]

And with Adventure Way they seem to show they -- someone at WDI -- gets it.

Michel den Dulk is whom I have pegged there, though just the forward face, things aren't entirely one person. He also moved from Frozen at HKDL to the greater DAW project.

Considering he came up through Efteling and was recruited by Tony, I think I have the right guy.

 

[BrianLo]

Seems like there could be room for Coco retail. And it's a good spot for restrooms if a bridge is planned some day. Having this on the other side of the walkway could (with good placemaking) be helpful in creating a semblance of a themed area.
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Keep in mind the backstage road to the right would need to be replaced first before it could close. I think there's some premature reaction going on to what is ultimately the pre-cursor project (the backstage road realignment).

 

[DL-fan]

The Tangled ride is only 5 minutes, I really hope it’s more like 8-9 minutes because that’s just too short for a Coco boat ride.

 

[DrStarlander]

Keep in mind the backstage road to the right would need to be replaced first before it could close. I think there's some premature reaction going on to what is ultimately the pre-cursor project (the backstage road realignment).

I'm not following you, could you explain a bit more? Which section of road would need to be replaced by when, and why?

 

[eddie104]

The Tangled ride is only 5 minutes, I really hope it’s more like 8-9 minutes because that’s just too short for a Coco boat ride.

Huh?

No ride Disney has built the last two decades has been that long.

I think this thread is starting to become a little ridiculous with all the assumptions and delusional takes. Once they release more concept art and maybe a model of the attraction then we can speculate more realistically.

 

[coffeefan]

Huh?

No ride Disney has built the last two decades has been that long.

I think this thread is starting to become a little ridiculous with all the assumptions and delusional takes. Once they release more concept art and maybe a model of the attraction then we can speculate more realistically.

And whose fault is that? We were shown models and details for most of the WDW projects, but the DCA projects have been clouded in mystery for some reason.