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Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Yes i know. Is a great statement and accurate to a degree bc even tho everyone has it. Everyone cant use it at once. Again. I dk how people can think skipping a decent amount of lines at the MK is a bad thing and being able to get some top rides in the other parks is a bad thing and eliminate a decent amount of wait times.
In theory it's not a bad thing. Nobody wants to wait in lines. At the end of the day there isn't enough capacity for everyone to have short waits.

The thing is this system is failing like all the other previous versions have. The point of Fastpass was to get people out of lines so they can spend money in the shops and on dining.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
So wait. You are buying location to where? The MK ONLY and have to bus everywhere else or transfer on a broken down monorail to Epcot and paying thousands extra for that is “okay” BUT spending extra money on something that literally has a DIRECT positive impact on your trip is an absurd thought in your mind?
That’s really Always what you were paying for…and the name and the feels

They just took the standard perks away basically no matter what you pay. Disney is not a hotelier…they’re a theme park operator who begrudgingly provides that product. They never wanted to be more…except for a while under evil Michael.

And you missed a key part of the paid line skips…no matter how many times that planes has buzzed the tower…you’re not seeing it.
In regards to your obsession with me having DAS i have had it for all paid versions of the service. I did NOT have it for some of the earlier versions of FP paper specifically…. I truly dk what that has to do with anything. If i able to get FP/Genies/LL with the paid Service what does having DAS mean? Literally for example. When paid FP started i was able to do basically everything via the service. Genie being the best (knowing drops and refreshing albeit annoying worked almost 100% of times). I have people who i have helped been able to all use it and have it be effective. Some more than others and im on record stating this. It’s NOT perfect and at times after the 3 it could be useless BUT again having 3 and paying for a 4th to me is still better and worth it if i choose to go. As i said. I cxld a trip last June. I chose not to go in January for what would haven been a legit trip for me for the most part…. I have spoke with my wallet and chosen to go elsewhere and explore other vacation destinations. I was there on MDW last year as a surprise for my Dads 75th. I chose to not go to parks when he went on his European cruise. So technically 3 times i chose to not give the mouse my money. So what does DAS have to do w this discussion. When i have countless examples of friends and family who have gone and used the system and liked it and felt it helpd.
So what you’re saying is: you’ve never gone in the current era without them both?

You pay for one…and the other is complimentary for “access”…
But the paid one isn’t for access because all the miserable mortals get to buy it?

This is why you gotta stop praising the joys of paid skips and lecturing everywhere. You’re not doing anything against the rules…but the current system for you is not EQUAL either. Enjoy it…don’t preach.

and the strawmen “countless people” doesn’t provide any gravitas.
 
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Splash4eva

Well-Known Member
In theory it's not a bad thing. Nobody wants to wait in lines. At the end of the day there isn't enough capacity for everyone to have short waits.

The thing is this system is failing like all the other previous versions have. The point of Fastpass was to get people out of lines so they can spend money in the shops and on dining.
Im not denying capacity is a major issue but that is not what this convo is about…. The point of FP was to get people to spend more money. Seems like it ultimately succeeded lol.
 

Splash4eva

Well-Known Member
That’s really Always what you were paying for…and the name and the feels

They just took the standard perks away basically no matter what you pay. Disney is not a hotelier…they’re a theme park operator who begrudgingly provides that product. They never wanted to be more…except for a while under evil Michael.

And you missed a key part of the paid line skips…no matter how many times that planes has buzzed the tower…you’re not seeing it.

So what you’re saying is: you’ve never gone in the current era without them both?

You pay for one…and the other is complimentary for “access”…
But the paid one isn’t for access because all the miserable mortals get to buy it?

This is why you gotta stop praising the joys of paid skips and lecturing everywhere. You’re not doing anything against the rules…but the current system for you is not EQUAL either. Enjoy it…don’t preach.

and the strawmen “countless people” doesn’t provide and gravitas.
Again. Me having DAS is meaningless. Somewhere in my photos i have everything saved on what i rode during recent trips via das and ll/fp/genie or standby when lines are walk ons. I assure you my day without DAS was well worth it by using LL/Genie/FP. You also keep ignoring my comments about close friends and family who overall enjoyed the product so many here has told you as well. We get it. You dont want to pay the mouse extra money for a skip the line system. Thats fine but to preach its terrible worthless so on and so forth when countless say otherwise and keep buying it is a tough sell. And to answer your original question. Last time i was there w/onDAS was roughly 10 years ago
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Im not denying capacity is a major issue but that is not what this convo is about…. The point of FP was to get people to spend more money. Seems like it ultimately succeeded lol.
It technically is about capacity. No park has enough capacity to let everyone have access to like skips.

It hasn't got them to spend more money. Sure guests are spending on LLMP and Premier pass but they aren't spending it on table service or merch like they used to. They are using that money for line skips so they can shorten their time in the parks. Look at how many post here and mention how they don't go to the park til mid afternoon. They do their 3 booked attractions and leave.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
It technically is about capacity. No park has enough capacity to let everyone have access to like skips.

It hasn't got them to spend more money. Sure guests are spending on LLMP and Premier pass but they aren't spending it on table service or merch like they used to. They are using that money for line skips so they can shorten their time in the parks. Look at how many post here and mention how they don't go to the park til mid afternoon. They do their 3 booked attractions and leave.
Yeah but Disney has to allow line skips - and to its demographic.
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
If I am spending $400 a person, I expect unlimited LL access, I cannot justify paying that much for single use. However I don’t begrudge anyone who does.

MLL at WDW is a scam, and nets you 1-2 useful LL unless you are a super user and spend all day on your phone. It doesn’t seem to be worth the effort for the amount of time you put in. I also do not like that it’s restricted to one ride per attraction per day. Using EE/Rope Drop seems to net me more use then MLL. MLL at DLR is worth it, it allows me to ride the headliners at the park I don’t rope drop.
 

DisneyLeo18

Active Member
If I am spending $400 a person, I expect unlimited LL access, I cannot justify paying that much for single use. However I don’t begrudge anyone who does.

MLL at WDW is a scam, and nets you 1-2 useful LL unless you are a super user and spend all day on your phone. It doesn’t seem to be worth the effort for the amount of time you put in. I also do not like that it’s restricted to one ride per attraction per day. Using EE/Rope Drop seems to net me more use then MLL. MLL at DLR is worth it, it allows me to ride the headliners at the park I don’t rope drop.

If you're only getting 1-2 uses out of it, youre using it wrong. I can definitely agree about the pricing/rules around it, but it does have benefits.

Personally, I'd rather pay the $30 and sleep in, take my time getting to the parks than having to be there for early hours or rope drop.

And at DL you can't book until you walk into the park, which can be good or bad.
 

Splash4eva

Well-Known Member
It technically is about capacity. No park has enough capacity to let everyone have access to like skips.

It hasn't got them to spend more money. Sure guests are spending on LLMP and Premier pass but they aren't spending it on table service or merch like they used to. They are using that money for line skips so they can shorten their time in the parks. Look at how many post here and mention how they don't go to the park til mid afternoon. They do their 3 booked attractions and leave.
Guest spending pp is up. End of day for Disney thats a positive…. Im not defending their decisions to not expand the capacity because honestly. People are and will pay to skip the lines no matter how “short” they are. One thing the mouse has been able to do is find ways for people to pay
 

Splash4eva

Well-Known Member
What I'm saying is while everyone can buy it, everyone may not get the attractions they want cause return times do fill up. There isn't enough capacity for everyone that buys like skips to get every attraction.
Okay. Your point? That means Disney is doing a good job balancing stand by vs paid systems. Correct? Disney is not selling the regular LL as a service that will give you access to everything but if i can get on majority/good amount by skipping then i think families are happy doing just that
 

Chi84

Premium Member
If I am spending $400 a person, I expect unlimited LL access, I cannot justify paying that much for single use. However I don’t begrudge anyone who does.

MLL at WDW is a scam, and nets you 1-2 useful LL unless you are a super user and spend all day on your phone. It doesn’t seem to be worth the effort for the amount of time you put in. I also do not like that it’s restricted to one ride per attraction per day. Using EE/Rope Drop seems to net me more use then MLL. MLL at DLR is worth it, it allows me to ride the headliners at the park I don’t rope drop.
What was the crowd like when you used MLL at WDW?
 

MickeyLuv'r

Well-Known Member
What problems are you alluding to?

The Premier is selling. The regular version is selling and the Individual ones are selling as well. There has been basically no online “outrage” over people not liking any version of the product or demanding refunds etc. So unless the problem is finding a way to get people to spend more money i dont know what the issue is
While I can't say I'm eager to jump into this debate per say, I am recently back from the parks. I'm not sure it is correct to say there are no problems or complaints with parkgoers who buy LLMP or LLPP.

I saw plenty of people having problems that took the form of going to guest services in the parks.

There were certainly people who bought one of WDW skip-the-lines and then could not use what they bought because rides went down.

A number of rides were down over the course of the days I was at WDW. At Universal, if a ride goes down it is no big deal. We just come back later. At WDW, a ride going down often quickly snowballs into a much bigger mess.

One thing I find frustrating is that there is often no way to rebook LL's if you know you can't make your return time. CM's make some allowance to use the LL late, but I've also been given the 3rd degree. That should never happen.

I've had CM's ask in a very nasty tone, "WHY are you 3 hours late?"

I find that somewhat humiliating. This is MY VACATION. I really should not have to explain our health issue (vomiting/diarrhea/fem issues), or that we were stuck in another ride queue, that WDW's transportation was slow, a meal was very slow...and often the answer is all-of-the-above. I find it dumb that I should have to explain all (any) of that...because WDW MAKES IT impossible for us to reschedule our stupid fastpasses. This is the stupid system they created. It didn't used to be this way.

A more detailed example:
At park opening one morning, we got in line for Jungle Cruise. Posted wait was not bad when we got in line, but it was backed up towards PotC. By the time I was at the actual ride entrance posted wait was substantially higher. I was in the line for about 30minutes when the ride went down.

And this was at park opening, when the wait for many rides was still near zero (even at 9:30). Losing 30minutes in the JC queue was costly. NO return passes at the attraction! We asked at GS if we could get a return pass, and we were told they don't normally give them out to people who were waiting when rides go down. It wasn't the best way to start the day. A few hours later, SM also went down while I was I the queue, but we didn't dare leave the queue.

I've had a number of times where one ride going down at WDW = wrecked evening plans. Where getting stuck in the queue an extra 40minutes meant missing out: on a good chunk of the evening extra hours, Dinner plans, or having enough time to get to our hotel to change before dinner (very important in summer), etc.

Generally, the same issue doesn't crop up at Universal. While rides sometimes go down, there are no passes to reschedule. We can get back to our hotel in less than 15minutes, so the logistics are much simpler. Dining is also much more carefree. We don't have to even think about no-show fees, ADR's, and the logistics of getting from the parks to Citywalk is 5minutes.

After a good number of split visits, we find the Universal portion of our visits a lot less stressful.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
While I can't say I'm eager to jump into this debate per say, I am recently back from the parks. I'm not sure it is correct to say there are no problems or complaints with parkgoers who buy LLMP or LLPP.

I saw plenty of people having problems that took the form of going to guest services in the parks.

There were certainly people who bought one of WDW skip-the-lines and then could not use what they bought because rides went down.

A number of rides were down over the course of the days I was at WDW. At Universal, if a ride goes down it is no big deal. We just come back later. At WDW, a ride going down often quickly snowballs into a much bigger mess.

One thing I find frustrating is that there is often no way to rebook LL's if you know you can't make your return time. CM's make some allowance to use the LL late, but I've also been given the 3rd degree. That should never happen.

I've had CM's ask in a very nasty tone, "WHY are you 3 hours late?"

I find that somewhat humiliating. This is MY VACATION. I really should not have to explain our health issue (vomiting/diarrhea/fem issues), or that we were stuck in another ride queue, that WDW's transportation was slow, a meal was very slow...and often the answer is all-of-the-above. I find it dumb that I should have to explain all (any) of that...because WDW MAKES IT impossible for us to reschedule our stupid fastpasses. This is the stupid system they created. It didn't used to be this way.

A more detailed example:
At park opening one morning, we got in line for Jungle Cruise. Posted wait was not bad when we got in line, but it was backed up towards PotC. By the time I was at the actual ride entrance posted wait was substantially higher. I was in the line for about 30minutes when the ride went down.

And this was at park opening, when the wait for many rides was still near zero (even at 9:30). Losing 30minutes in the JC queue was costly. NO return passes at the attraction! We asked at GS if we could get a return pass, and we were told they don't normally give them out to people who were waiting when rides go down. It wasn't the best way to start the day. A few hours later, SM also went down while I was I the queue, but we didn't dare leave the queue.

I've had a number of times where one ride going down at WDW = wrecked evening plans. Where getting stuck in the queue an extra 40minutes meant missing out: on a good chunk of the evening extra hours, Dinner plans, or having enough time to get to our hotel to change before dinner (very important in summer), etc.

Generally, the same issue doesn't crop up at Universal. While rides sometimes go down, there are no passes to reschedule. We can get back to our hotel in less than 15minutes, so the logistics are much simpler. Dining is also much more carefree. We don't have to even think about no-show fees, ADR's, and the logistics of getting from the parks to Citywalk is 5minutes.

After a good number of split visits, we find the Universal portion of our visits a lot less stressful.
We visit quite often and have never experienced the kinds of issues you mentioned at WDW.

Not everything is for everyone. Our WDW vacations aren’t stressful although the crowds can sometimes be annoying.

Sounds like Universal is much more of what you’re looking for.
 

networkpro

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
We visit quite often and have never experienced the kinds of issues you mentioned at WDW.

Not everything is for everyone. Our WDW vacations aren’t stressful although the crowds can sometimes be annoying.

Sounds like Universal is much more of what you’re looking for.

I would agree as we graduated from Disney Death Marches when we began purchasing APs. As I accumulated more and more vacation time, the vacations became longer (some times too long as one three week trip we were both pleading for mercy when it came around to regular meal times... cant eat another bit, make it stop!) and we cared less about hitting any particular ride any particular day or trip. Rope drop to Goodnight Kiss has been in our rearview mirror for quite a few years.
 

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