MK Piston Peak and Villains Land Construction Thread

[GordoInTheParks]

They couldn't possibly scrap the second attraction, which was named "TBD" in all the hype and hoopla.

Having the name and even type of a secondary attraction in flux is WAY different than just not building one! That's absolutely no way that they would build a new land without two attractions.

 

[nickys]

What land do you know has only one attraction? Even the Harry Potter land at Epic has the circus as a placeholder until they get their 2nd "E-ticket" built.

WDSP / DAW at Disneyland Paris has one opening in 2 days time, previews today. Plus a second land planned with also only one ride.

 

[Ayla]

I never said that anything would prevent them from removing the ride. I'm saying that there's no way that it will happen, as the land is clearly designed with the space for the second attraction, and that space is not just going to be left without anything there. They simply aren't going to open a land with one single attraction, mainly because there's no reason NOT to have a 2nd one, and the fact that it would be a PR nightmare to do so. Also, I think that talking about removing the thing that's been announced and is in the concept art, is just so completely hypothetical thing to even entertain, at this moment. The 2nd attraction won't shape the land like the main one. It will either be in a show building or be a flat ride, so it's kind of an irrelevant topic, on whether or not they build a model of the land itself.

Show us this concept art where a second attraction is shown.

 

[James Alucobond]

What land do you know has only one attraction? Even the Harry Potter land at Epic has the circus as a placeholder until they get their 2nd "E-ticket" built.

Piston Peak is not a land.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Construction seems to be moving pretty quickly in this area, so I'm sure it won't be long before there's actual stuff to talk about. There's also eventually bound to be some leaks.

I really hope that they finally show off models of both of these lands at D23, or if we're really lucky, maybe one giant one, with everything connected! Will D'Amaro be so bold? I hope so.

I worked for an earth moving company for almost a decade so I am as much interested in that portion of it, sometimes referred to as dirt arranging. I'd love to get the chance to watch them do that part of it. It is a much more contoured manner of building unlike the stick like process of actual building most structures. Unless I was right there watching it, with no obstacles in the way, then it would be exciting for me. That, however, isn't likely to happen.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It's a terrain-scaped land, with hidden show buildings tucked inside. It all has to be designed very precisely to work, and that's exactly why they have to file for design permits. We've only seen the water management ones, etc. These rock features will be very heavy, for instance, and the Florida ground needs to be prepped for the weight distribution, before vertical construction can even start. They cannot just start building something without design / development permits, though. They can re-file them if they change their plans, but is not like it was in 1955. They can't just start building a public-facing land with buildings without knowing exactly what it is that they're building.

Design/development permits are different from building permits and are not required.

You don’t need to have design work completed to get a building permit. You can break the project down into smaller portions and get permits for just those portions that are ready. This is fast-track project delivery.

What land do you know has only one attraction? Even the Harry Potter land at Epic has the circus as a placeholder until they get their 2nd "E-ticket" built.

Piston Peak is not its own land. If only one Cars ride were to be built then Frontierland would still have at least four attractions.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Disney often makes use of fast-track project delivery where construction starts before design work is complete. We’ve already seen changes between the water management permits, sanitary sewer permit and potable water permits.

Agree, that is land prep. they can know that they have to raise the elevation, for example without knowing exactly how much will be needed. The real contouring will not happen until they have pretty much finalized plans, They have to be complete up to minor or other changes that would be about the thing that is going to sit on top of the base property.

There is a whole lot of fill that is going to be required to just bring the soil surface up and probably above the level of Frontierland. Exception of what ever the water setting will need. That is a whole other project. They have to not only plan for the show water situation but also the run off from those now famous afternoon cloudburst that are common in Florida. This is hardly a simple build. The way a lot of us are talking it seems like by now they should be putting up the LL entrance signs by now.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Piston Peak is not a land.

Then Star Wars Land isn't a land either, right?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Then Star Wars Land isn't a land either, right?

Star Wars “Galaxies Edge” is a land.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Piston Peak is not a land.

I am not sure Disney knows what it is! JK!

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

Then Star Wars Land isn't a land either, right?

This comparison makes zero sense and I’m not sure what you’re trying to get at here.

Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge is it’s own land that was designed to be it’s own land, and is presented without connection to any other land. It exists its own space.

Piston Peak will be a sub-area within Frontierland the exact same way Storybook Circus is a sub-area within Fantasyland, and Disney has stressed this point more than once now. Piston Peak is Frontierland, not it’s own thing.

 

[dmw]

Star Wars “Galaxies Edge” is a land.

and, FWIW, GE opened with a single ride/attraction. RoTR was still under construction when the land opened. So, although I agree Piston Peak is part of Frontierland, there is precedence for a new land opening with a single ride/attraction.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

and, FWIW, GE opened with a single ride/attraction. RoTR was still under construction when the land opened.

Sadly I know all too well - I flew to California to see the new land and was extremely underwhelmed. Scanning QR codes to make a sound effect or light blink didn’t really impress me much.

But of course Rise was supposed to open with the land.

But none of that matters in this discussion. Piston Peak is not being marketed as a land. We can of course consider it a cars themed area or mini-land if we want to.

 

[BrianLo]

That's absolutely no way that they would build a new land without two attractions.

I can name six lands to the contrary since the 2010’s. Including probably Monsters Inc, which seemingly is being phased and Pandora in DCA.

Beyond that Piston Peak is not even a land. It’s like saying they’d have to build two attractions when they added Big Thunder or Splash.

Now you will probably be right in the sense they will probably build a second attraction. No one is arguing to you to the contrary. We haven’t seen any pull back in this cycle. But if there is pull back, this seems to be the most nebulous of attractions globally.

Edit - 8 including SDLs Zootopia and Spiderman.

 

[GordoInTheParks]

Show us this concept art where a second attraction is shown.

 

[Goofyernmost]

This comparison makes zero sense and I’m not sure what you’re trying to get at here.

Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge is it’s own land that was designed to be it’s own land, and is presented without connection to any other land. It exists its own space.

Piston Peak will be a sub-area within Frontierland the exact same way Storybook Circus is a sub-area within Fantasyland, and Disney has stressed this point more than once now. Piston Peak is Frontierland, not it’s own thing.

That's how you see it. I don't see it as connected to Frontierland, Liberty Square or the eventual Villians behind it. It actually runs along side and between Frontierland and Liberty Square and bordered in back by Villians. Both Cars and Villians are independent areas with their own identity. Or there own lands. There is no law that says that the has to be only the same number of lands in perpetuity.

 

[nickys]

That's how you see it. I don't see it as connected to Frontierland, Liberty Square or the eventual Villians behind it. It actually runs along side and between Frontierland and Liberty Square and bordered in back by Villians. Both Cars and Villians are independent areas with their own identity. Or there own lands. There is no law that says that the has to be only the same number of lands in perpetuity.

It was announced as an expansion of Frontierland though.

 

[GordoInTheParks]

I can name six lands to the contrary since the 2010’s. Including probably Monsters Inc, which seemingly is being phased and Pandora in DCA.

Beyond that Piston Peak is not even a land. It’s like saying they’d have to build two attractions when they added Big Thunder or Splash.

Now you will probably be right in the sense they will probably build a second attraction. No one is arguing to you to the contrary. We haven’t seen any pull back in this cycle. But if there is pull back, this seems to be the most nebulous of attractions globally.

Monsters Inc will have a theater attraction that's replacing Muppets 3D, so that's 2 attractions. It's fair to not consider Piston Peak a full land, but it's at least a mini land, as it's self-contained, and is purposefully broader in scope than a single IP ride, and themed completely different than what we know from the IP. Speaking of mini lands, Id actually say that Muppets Courtyard was one of those with only one attraction, so I definitely found a contradiction within myself... That said, having only Muppets 3D in that area was also a pretty big mistake, from the beginning, IMO.

Disney now has major competition, and they already have the space set aside at PP for the 2nd attraction. I just don't see them skimping on something that they could have easily just replaced with a flat ride, in the worst-case scenario. Not only that, but again, this has no bearing on the way that the rest of the land is built.

 

[Goofyernmost]

It was announced as an expansion of Frontierland though.

That was when they were trying to find a way to ease the blow of the loss of RoA. I suppose it could be part of Frontierland as long as we all can erase the wild west image that the word Frontier generates. Amazingly, the Oxford Dictionary defines "Frontier" as "a line or border separating two countries". That seems to fit right in with what we are getting, a land that borders more than one country (land).

 

[James Alucobond]

That's how you see it. I don't see it as connected to Frontierland, Liberty Square or the eventual Villians behind it. It actually runs along side and between Frontierland and Liberty Square and bordered in back by Villians. Both Cars and Villians are independent areas with their own identity. Or there own lands. There is no law that says that the has to be only the same number of lands in perpetuity.

How you see it does not matter as it has absolutely nothing to do with how it's officially organized.