MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Incomudro]

Yeah I guess if you ignore all of the negative things I posted about like the state of TBA, the absolute hatred for Disney trying to get in the AI game, and the problems with maintenance/needing more restaraunts immediately because the capacity is not enough sure.

But you can just dismiss any of my opinions because "oH hE's A sHiLl" which might make it easier to swallow that instead of accepting an opinion different than your own.

Newsflash I do not care about MK's TSI or the Riverboat. Don't really care either way. They could have replace it with 1 decent ride and I would have been more than happy. To me, DL is the one that really matters. I always ride the ferry going into MK, I'd rather them just expand and enhance that experience than needing the ridiculously massive plot that the current river took up. Could it be pretty? Sure but I have a better river about 5 minutes from my house. ROA does about nothing for me over than provide a view and one of many places to sit down which I don't need as much because there is plenty of less busy crazy places if you just look around.

I can accept lots of opinions that are different from my own.
But yours read differently.
They come off like someone who has little to no love for the classics, and as someone who doesn't understand, or simply dismisses the nuances that made the park special.

 

[neo999955]

I think some people who love the classics (perhaps because they grew up with them, visit frequently and can appreciate them, love the history of Disney or any other reason) might forget that a lot of people, including some hardcore fans like us - simply have different experiences with the parks. I’ve been coming for just over almost 15 years now, since I was 24 - and I’ve come to appreciate a lot of the history and classics. But, at the same time, I don’t have a strong love for RoA/TSI - it was a part of the park I never explored.

I regret this, for sure. But I live far away and my ability to visit is limited and without any kids there was just never a reason to explore something like that if we have one day in MK per trip. Did I wish it gone, no, but I’m also not sad to lose it. I do think it was beautiful, but I know I’ll appreciate more rides and I hope they make something beautiful - even if it’s a very active beauty instead of the calming, majestic beauty of RoA.

Not all people will have this deep love for certain things and that’s OK. We all come to these parks at different times, ages and length of visits. I’m glad we all LOVE these parks so much and I’m glad there’s such a diverse mix of views and appreciation.

Losing Dinosaur and Muppets makes me super sad and nostalgic because I really loved those rides. But for me, I understand this is the nature of theme parks at the end of day (not to say they are comparable to something like Walt’s classics, but you know what I mean I hope).

TLDR: We all have different takes - some of us can cherish the detail, atmosphere and beauty of the parks and still be OK letting something like RoA go. Not discounting how anyone else feels, just to say there’s all sorts of us with valid experiences. There’s no need to dismiss and attack others for holding different views.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I can accept lots of opinions that are different from my own.
But yours read differently.
They come off like someone who has little to no love for the classics, and as someone who doesn't understand, or simply dismisses the nuances that made the park special.

I have love for many classics, just ones I actually like. I love HM, ToT, BTM, Space, Pirates, the Railroad, Kilomanjaro, SSE, LWTL, and so many more. (Yes i know most of those aren't "opening day" attractions.)

What I don't have is a bunch of misplaced nostalgia for relics of another time. I've siad before that Disney needs more simple A-C tier rides, more busbars, etc. The attractiosn that I do not have much love for are relics of a different time that I don't really think is needed in the parks. I like some relics of another time but not when they interfere with actual progress.

I think of it like a very busy road in the middle of a busy city.

Sure, that long cobblestone road is cool in a historic sense but it's not very practical. Yes you COULD build a new modern road nearby but you have a busy area right here and now. It might be time to take away the cobblestone and properly pave it after a while.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

But, at the same time, I don’t have a strong love for RoA/TSI - it was a part of the park I never explored.

The riverboat was a major part of the park - it’s literally been used as an icon of Frontierland. You didn’t need to ride it to experience it. You would see and hear the real steam while walking into Liberty Square, hear the whistle and wave to guests while walking over to Big Thunder - it added to the MK experience.

Kind of like the carousel - many guests don’t actually take time to ride the carousel at MK. But almost all guests experience it in some way. And of course those who do take time to soak in the details, will find out how special it is - it’s older than the steam locomotives (except for the Roy).

 

[Gusey]

Sometimes it just feels like it comes across that if you didn't enjoy the "classic" attractions created in the 1950-80s, you're not a good Disney Parks Fan. It might not be what's being said, but it comes across as that. I didn't start visiting until the 2000s, so don't have the same nostalgia for some of these "classics". I experienced them once and once was enough for me. And I every time I did visit, apart from once, Liberty Belle was closed for refurbishment so I again have experienced Frontierland without the ship and it felt just the same to me. I'm hoping that these Cars attractions will be a more than once attraction and am going to give it a fair shot until I've experienced it, and that the new river will be enough to have the same minimal impact the old RoA had on me before (mostly just the noise)

 

[lazyboy97o]

What I don't have is a bunch of misplaced nostalgia for relics of another time.

You constantly whine about others being dismissive of your views and yet this is what you’ve got. Not a pointed disagreement, just a shallow categorical dismissal that doesn’t apply to many arguments.

Sure, that long cobblestone road is cool in a historic sense but it's not very practical. Yes you COULD build a new modern road nearby but you have a busy area right here and now. It might be time to take away the cobblestone and properly pave it after a while.

This is just a bunch of incorrect assumptions. Completely ignoring how historical materials can be used to meet certain contemporary performance standards to the many reasons why focusing on traffic efficiency is detrimental to urban spaces.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I didn't start visiting until the 2000s, so don't have the same nostalgia for some of these "classics".

Why would someone have to visit before 2000 to enjoy a classic?

 

[DisneyHead123]

Sure, that long cobblestone road is cool in a historic sense but it's not very practical. Yes you COULD build a new modern road nearby but you have a busy area right here and now. It might be time to take away the cobblestone and properly pave it after a while.

I don’t think this logic (basically “Hey, urban sprawl is a necessary thing”) applies in a theme park. In a community where you have to buy groceries and put in infrastructure and you live in a country where the economy is dependent on people commuting long distances… ok, pros and cons are debatable there. The whole point of a theme park is that you’re paying money (lots of it) to go soak up an artificially designed and curated environment though. If accessible, faux cobblestone roads are what people want to look at, they should pave every possible surface in faux cobblestone (real cobblestone would likely be an accessibility issue).

That said, if you personally don’t like cobblestone and don’t want to pay to see it, that’s your prerogative. Just saying I think that subjective preferences are really the deciding factor in a theme park. If you want to see a very functional but otherwise unremarkable road you can do that just about anywhere for free in the US. If you want a colonial road or the yellow brick road (come on Universal!) or an old boardwalk and whatnot, that’s the time for theme parks.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Our new Shibboleth: "Love for the classics."

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

the Railroad

What I don't have is a bunch of misplaced nostalgia for relics of another time.

The WDW railroad is a relic of another time correct?

But since you personally love it, it should stay?

Your reasoning comes across as 100% personal. Which is fine - but it’s not an argument when it comes to theme park design.

 

[Gusey]

Why would someone have to visit before 2000 to enjoy a classic?

I'm more saying why I don't have much nostalgia for MK's Rivers because I didn't visit the parks for the first 30 years they existed, and then only the stuff I did then became nostalgic for me (we were priorising other classics like Pirates, Big Thunder and Fantasyland Dark Rides). Aa I said, I only experience TSI and the Liberty Belle once each and didn't find them enjoyable enough to do again. Liberty Belle wasn't enough to see and closed whenever I was there except once.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

For anyone worried about size... basically all of Mount Prometheus's at TDS would fit in this plot... with a Top level E ticket inside that uses a similar ride system to what most of us think Cars Road Rally will be.

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Good comparison.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

The WDW railroad is a relic of another time correct?

But since you personally love it, it should stay?

Your reasoning comes across as 100% personal. Which is fine - but it’s not an argument when it comes to theme park design.

The railroad has a lot of benefits, it's also transportation while being nice. It's a relic of another time in a good way, it's aged like wine compared to something like TSI or the other ride next to it. The railroad takes up pretty minimal usable space and does not block anything other than having to go over or under or land which does not mean you have to rip it all up. It's also exceptionally high capacity with multiple entrances/exits which allows for better distrubtion of people around the park.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

You constantly whine about others being dismissive of your views and yet this is what you’ve got. Not a pointed disagreement, just a shallow categorical dismissal that doesn’t apply to many arguments.


This is just a bunch of incorrect assumptions. Completely ignoring how historical materials can be used to meet certain contemporary performance standards to the many reasons why focusing on traffic efficiency is detrimental to urban spaces.

1. I'm not trying to be dismissive, it's a fact that a level of nostalgia clouds peoples judgement on stuff. That does not make peoples opinions invalid or wrong in itself. I'm using it to explain why I don't care for these particular attractions, I have no real connection to them. Now that comment does come across as a little harsher than intended but nonetheless I agree with the sentiment. But for me, personally, I want to see the best version of the parks for me which does not include the ROA if its going to stop other things from being built.

2. Hey man, it's just a simple to explain narrative. Not really an example to deal with the exacts of real world city building, I'm not an architect. I'm using it as an example of why just keeping everything old and "just build something new elsewhere" doesn't always work.

 

[Chi84]

The WDW railroad is a relic of another time correct?

But since you personally love it, it should stay?

Your reasoning comes across as 100% personal. Which is fine - but it’s not an argument when it comes to theme park design.

The thread isn’t limited to theme park design.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I'm not trying to be dismissive, it's a fact that a level of nostalgia clouds peoples judgement on stuff.

You couldn’t even finish this sentence without being dismissive.

 

[Nickm2022]

Im not reading fighting, anyway question, is the ride's system/track make it possible for the ride to travel backwards, as curious if they'll improve the small footprint by having backwards or indoor sections like Frozen, RR, or GG in Hong Kong

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

is the ride's system/track make it possible for the ride to travel backwards

The simple answer is - nobody knows. There is nothing confirmed about the ride system or layout. Nothing really confirmed about the ride experience but the imagineer test track gives some idea of what they are wanting to replicate and of course there are some ideas that can be seen in both the artwork and the fun map.

 

[Incomudro]

Im not reading fighting, anyway question, is the ride's system/track make it possible for the ride to travel backwards, as curious if they'll improve the small footprint by having backwards or indoor sections like Frozen, RR, or GG in Hong Kong

Are you talking about the Rallye race attraction?
If so, just based on the premise that I've never seen Rallye cars travelling backwards unless they oversteer off of the road - I'd say no.

 

[SamusAranX]

Yes. Look, if ROA stayed, I wouldn’t care. But with it going we get a new attraction, that I find more appealing. I can’t see any need for TS Island in 2026. In 1986, sure. The Liberty Belle was fun, we did it once. But, unless you go so often that you are just sightseeing and having lunch, it’s a time suck on an active day of doing things. I am looking forward to Cars.

I think you might enjoy being a Six Flags passholder then