GravityFalls
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They could do a quick overlay by using the Clawhauser b-mode tv screen instead of the animatronic.
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News Avatar Experience coming to Disneyland Resort
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Distorian
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It's fine and very well done, but it's just not my interest. If Avatar was a single, contained attraction in Tomorrowland I'm sure I'd enjoy it enough, but I don't have much interest in walking around and pretending I'm on Pandora. I'd much rather be immersed in American (and global, although to a lesser extent) history, geography, and culture. These are the aspects I love most about Disneyland and DCA. This is also part of why Galaxy's Edge fall flat for me even though I love Star Wars and quite enjoy Rise of the Resistance.
I'm perfectly happy to play make believe and pretend I am a cowboy, astronaut, or buccaneer, but that's because those roles are real even if I am (or rather, a child is) doing make believe. By pretending to be a cowboy, a child learns about how real people lived their lives in the Old West, and still do today in Montana, Wyoming, and even down in Mexico and Argentina. The same rational applies for pretending to be an astronaut or a pirate, as through play the child comes to learn what these other people have done and continue to do. There is an inherent value in understanding other people and their cultures, so even though Frontierland, New Orleans Square, and Tomorrowland are all make believe, they are making believe about something ground in reality which gives them substance.
Avatar, however, is devoid of reality. Every aspect of it is make believe. To then have a make believe of pure fantasy is not to say it is void of value, but it is of a lesser value. Although there is a valuable message about conservation and racism in Avatar's theme, it is far less interesting than Pocahontas or Dances with Wolves because the latter two are rooted in reality. Consider also this: Pretending to be a Jedi fighting a Rancor is fun and can bring a lot of good to a child, but it is less valuable than if he were to be pretending to be knight fighting a dragon. Both are ultimately make believe and have their element of fantasy, but the latter is rooted in truth and history giving it greater weight. To take it further, it would be even better if that child was pretending her was a knight fighting for Charles Martel against the Saracen Army at the Battle of Tours.
Perhaps it's clear I'm deep into educational philosophy at the moment, but this is really just long winded answer of me basically saying shadows of reality are better than shadows of fantasy. Neither shadows are real, but one at least mimics something real which gives it greater weight. For that reason I prefer lands like Main Street USA and Grizzly Peak over Galaxy's Edge or Pandora.
GravityFalls
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You could apply this same argument in FAVOR of Avatar or Star Wars. The narrative elements inspire us to learn more about how those worlds were created. There are thousands of hours on the science behind those narratives (including why something wouldn't be scientifically possible ) of those films and the craft behind creating those worlds.
Whether it's through DVD extras or YouTube channels like Corridor Digital there is so much to learn. Those properties are just as valuable from an educational standpoint as Pirates of the Caribbean.
Or... they can just have our entire show. Here. Take it.
Distorian
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Following this argument, this is a greater degree of separation from reality than direct imitation as it requires more steps to come to reality.
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DL-fan
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For arguments sake, the monorail would fit with a Zootopia ride so that wouldn’t need to be hidden or reconfigured. My hope is that if they do decide to put a Zootopia ride in this spot rather than Avatar, it should be an entirely new ride and not a clone from Shanghai.
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Purduevian
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I'm pretty sure I got the scale right
Distorian
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I dislike Zootopia, but I do like the way this looks. However, I can't help but imagine if that plot was given to a land focusing on California's Mexican heritage instead. It would be natural fit for the park's theme and would give Coco an actually appropriate location within the park. The Spanish architecture of Hollywood Land, particularly Tower of Terror, would serve as a good transition point. It would also be theoretically possible to convert the Hyperion into The Great Movie Ride so Hollywood Land would not suffer a loss of attractions or feel incomplete by the removal of such a large chunk of space.
Of course, this is all theorizing based on artistic merit rather than profit so disregard if you're a stockholder.
Disney Vault
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Is the Shanghai Zootopia really that small?
Purduevian
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Whole land is ~171,000 Sqft or just under 4 acers
In theory... DCA could probably give ~142,000sqft or 3.25 acers without touching the transportation hub
mickEblu
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Let’s not lose sight of the fact that they went out of their way to say that the Monsters Inc closing delay wasn’t going to be delay Avatar. Why say that? Maybe to avoid any bad press since they know that if/when they announce Zootopia at D23 it will get a thunderous applause and nobody will care about what happens to Avatar at that point?
Or maybe they re telling the truth haha.
Or maybe they re telling the truth haha.
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Surferboy567
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I want Avatar over Zootopia. While I like Zootopia, and wouldn’t mind the ride, Avatar is such a far more ambitious concept and I prefer those movies.
coffeefan
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I still think Zootopia should go to WDW. It's the global park and is visited by more international tourists. That's not to say it can't happen, but I hope it goes there instead.
mickEblu
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What’s stopping them from building one over there too? For the record I’d gladly trade them for Monstropolis
ToEarthandback
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While I totally agree with this sentiment, Zootopia just seems to fit like a glove in that space and overall aesthetic. If you do avatar , do it right, and that parcel of land is so small that to this day I still cant visualize how they would make it fit with the needed transitions. Overhead shots are one thing , but selling the walking into an alien world (not just an attraction) requires space to breath
DL-fan
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Disney is all about numbers, the next Zootopia will clear out 2 Billion easily while Avatar will be on the downward spiral down to 1 Billion. Disney has changed their mind about park projects plenty of times do I wouldn’t be surprised. They know that shutting down a project in early development will not deter the fanbase.
Orrr... hear me out...
Keep Z******* where it belongs - Out of the US parks. It's not some juggernaut property like some try to put forth. The heavy box office lifting came overseas for both movies. Just because the outgoing CEO tried to make it "a franchise" doesn't mean it actually is one. Putting something Avatar-based, and unique, would be a far wiser decision. IMHO.
Keep Z******* where it belongs - Out of the US parks. It's not some juggernaut property like some try to put forth. The heavy box office lifting came overseas for both movies. Just because the outgoing CEO tried to make it "a franchise" doesn't mean it actually is one. Putting something Avatar-based, and unique, would be a far wiser decision. IMHO.
How much the the sequel make at the box office, specifically the US box office? Oh right...
Mr. Sullivan
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I’ll believe it when literally anyone other than Jim Shull and the other Twitter folks say it.
That being said, if they really go this route, I don’t see Avatar being nixed from DLR completely. My guess would be that they just put it somewhere else as part of one of their other expansion plans.
With how popular the land is at DAK, and despite what some people love to imply with how popular the films are (the third still made $1.5 billion, that’s a “decline” most studios would commit murder for), they’re not going to let it go completely. If Zootopia ends up here it’s because Avatar moved, not because they’re not gonna do Avatar.
That being said, if they really go this route, I don’t see Avatar being nixed from DLR completely. My guess would be that they just put it somewhere else as part of one of their other expansion plans.
With how popular the land is at DAK, and despite what some people love to imply with how popular the films are (the third still made $1.5 billion, that’s a “decline” most studios would commit murder for), they’re not going to let it go completely. If Zootopia ends up here it’s because Avatar moved, not because they’re not gonna do Avatar.