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DHS Disney Confirms Muppets Take Over Rock 'n' Roller Coaster at Hollywood Studios

JohnD

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I like when people here dismiss literally everything that set Disney's theme parks apart from their competition. Disney goes to great lengths to avoid visual contradictions and even greater lengths to evoke emotional responses from their customers through meticulous design.

You've never felt anything emotional at a Disney Park? Why do you go?

Like, I genuinely cannot wrap my head around this attitude that some seem to have that Disney Parks are just theme parks and that attention to detail and everything else that made them successful doesn't matter.
I go to a theme park to enjoy myself and, yes, escape reality just for a little while. At the same time, I don't overthink every transition and theming element to the point that I'm completely miserable which is what a lot of people do on this forum.
 

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

Well-Known Member
To be fair, I don't think anyone was really expecting a full gut/rebuild around the coaster once they announced this would be such a fast turn around. Hoping for the MV3D props returning in the queue. Maybe the Statler and Waldorf standee can say "I hear Rock N Rollercoaster is more fun that getting hit on the head by a 2x4!"
I didn’t figure either, but I thought swapping or repainting the flats would be easy-ish. The PizzaRizzo sign could replace one of the fast food signs, the Piggy billboard could go somewhere, etc etc
 

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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Technically, they're not supposed to. But considering That Other Site's rampant use of other people's content without permission or attribution... <shrug>

If there's info from a banned site, I usual find a different source saying the same thing and post that here.
Call me biased for defending the site, but in recent times all info is credited if it came from a public source (if someone is anonymous or wishes to remain so then obviously we don’t). For example, Biorecontrusct gave us permission to use his photos and we always credit him. Even social media posts or people from other outlets are credited. I have seen that there has been an intentional effort to improve the quality of articles in order to improve the site’s reputation. But, unfortunately, the people who need to be persuaded that they’ve gotten better are the people who aren’t reading the articles, so it’s a bit pointless in that aspect. I think it’s still worth it to be better even if no one notices.

At the very least people in the community are friendly with me even if they don’t like my boss so I’m fine with that lmao
 
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dlfan1313

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What was your expectations exactly?

The reality is we are losing a pre-screen recording for some actual animatronics.

Besides all you’ve seen so far is a couple of paint jobs.
Well... I'm not sure. In the quote you quoted, I meant that no application or insinuation, in or of my words, meant anything more than a rational person can hear contrary opinions without resorting to anger or insults. Anything further brings to the forefront what the reader read, not what was said, but that such a process in the conscience of the thread has fled.

As far as my expectations for the attraction stand, I would love to see theming, placemaking, architectural cohesion, a juxtaposition with the surrounding area that makes sense without the need to facilitate an excuse that makes it make sense, a sense of beauty, awe, and splendor. I've said on these boards many times that ain't no man of smartness, and I am not knowing of words. I don't explain myself well. My thoughts and, through default, my comments were in reference to the exterior. I don't know what's going on in the interiors. I don't pay a whole lot of attention. If it seems as though they've done a good job there, that's great. I look forward to it. I am a fan of what Disney parks were and could be, not what they are now. Just off the cuff, they could have moved Muppet Vision there, and built up the area to resemble the real Jim Henson Studio. Instead, we're left with a building that most resembles an industrial park where Electrointertelcom just opened its new light industrial manufacturing plant, albeit in a slightly upscale area, so some zoning restrictions were enforced.
 

Casper Gutman

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No. I'm just not fixated on worrying about the intrusion of a limo against Tower of Tower, for example. I'd guess that 99.99% of guests aren't either. They are there to enjoy being in a theme park, just like me.
That word - “theme” park - does that mean anything?

I can enjoy myself and “escape reality” at Sea World or Kennywood or Busch Gardens. I go to Disney and Universal - which cost a lot more money and effort - for something more.
 

Tom Morrow

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Yeah I get your point, it's not like any real film or music studios would be colorful or have outlandish props or features...

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The giant guitar and upside down car are already outlandish so that wasn't the point at all. I'm just saying that it has always looked outlandish but tasteful and not gaudy, but if they go overboard decorating it with Muppet "accents" then it could look gaudy. They don't seem to be doing that though so its fine.
 
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Marc Davis Fan

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I go to a theme park to enjoy myself and, yes, escape reality just for a little while. At the same time, I don't overthink every transition and theming element to the point that I'm completely miserable which is what a lot of people do on this forum.
One certainly should not walk around theme parks overthinking the transitions, etc. (unless you’re specifically there to study the design). When visiting, one just feels the consequences of all those careful design choices—the deep cohesion that makes it so pleasant.

But if one is interested in theme park design—like me and many others on these forums—these seemingly small design choices are extremely important. Collectively, they’re central to why the parks are so compelling, which means, conversely, that if there’s an increasing number of subpar design choices, the parks start to become significantly weaker over time (“declining by degrees” per Kevin Yee).

It’s perfectly reasonable for someone not to be interested in this subject, of course.
 

Movielover

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Sunset Boulevard is bright, colorful, and optimistic. Looming over it all stands the opposite of all that. It works. Why can’t a similar swing back into the light? The car is adjacent, not parked in front of the tower. A pop splash beckoning us back into the light.
Because according to some on here the music recording industry is super serious and muted, and we can't have any color or shenanigans to brighten our enjoyment at a theme park. Rock'n MUST be a bland colorless building and no matter how far tucked away it is from Sunset Boulevard it must not show any form of upbeat emotion.

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Marc Davis Fan

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Sunset Boulevard is bright, colorful, and optimistic. Looming over it all stands the opposite of all that. It works. Why can’t a similar swing back into the light? The car is adjacent, not parked in front of the tower. A pop splash beckoning us back into the light.
Sunset Boulevard and Tower of Terror were designed as part of the same project, with complementary design language (including the complementary use of art deco, streamline moderne, mission revival, and neo-moorish architectural styles) and one specific "complementary contrast" (the hotel looking abandoned). It works because it was carefully designed to work.

Once again, nobody is saying that the updated color scheme of the car "can't" work (I have said I'm cautiously optimistic that it will), only that we do not yet know whether it will negatively impact the Tower of Terror's carefully crafted approach experience - which is one of the most highly regarded experiences in theme park design, and which relies upon the influence of everything in the guests' visual field. That is why, in my initial post about this, I was asking for the opinions of people who've seen how it looks in person so far. And again, among the factors that may allow the updated car to still work are precisely the careful decisions that Imagineering made due to these issues: to set the entrance back, to use art deco inspired design for the archway, etc.

Because according to some on here the music recording industry is super serious and muted, and we can't have any color or shenanigans to brighten our enjoyment at a theme park. Rock'n MUST be a bland colorless building and no matter how far tucked away it is from Sunset Boulevard it must not show any form of upbeat emotion.
Obviously, this is not even remotely what I or anyone else where is saying. We are discussing basic theme park design principles about visual cohesion and their application. It's one thing if you're not familiar with or interested in that topic, but repeatedly misrepresenting the statements of people who are isn't contributing to the conversation.

I do not want to keep correcting misrepresentations, as it requires repeating myself, which is not fair to people who want to read informative discussions. For anyone who wants to know what the actual statements and questions were, you can find them over the previous few pages, and I trust that people can differentiate between them and how they're being mischaracterized.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Because according to some on here the music recording industry is super serious and muted, and we can't have any color or shenanigans to brighten our enjoyment at a theme park. Rock'n MUST be a bland colorless building and no matter how far tucked away it is from Sunset Boulevard it must not show any form of upbeat emotion.
This is the color of ROCK!!!

 

Chester&Hester Enthusiast

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I go to a theme park to enjoy myself and, yes, escape reality just for a little while. At the same time, I don't overthink every transition and theming element to the point that I'm completely miserable which is what a lot of people do on this forum.

Not sure what the point of the dismissive hyperbole is? Not a single person here has expressed misery over this, just warranted concern. It's fine if minute nerdy details in themed design don't do anything for you, but it's hardly surprising that you would be interacting with people who do care about such things on a forum dedicated to the theme parks that built their reputation on them.

I'm genuinely very excited for Muppets on RnRC and think the zany and unserious nature of the IP is a beautiful fit for the attraction, but that doesn't stop me from caring about the thoughtfully curated aesthetic of the area as intended by the artists who originally designed it.

For what it's worth, you’re not supposed to notice or think about the transitions. That's kind of the entire point of what we're saying?
 
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