MK Villains Land Announced for Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom

[Pizza Moon]

Because Im not that familiar with ride, what is the long straight shot track in the layout on the left side, is that after a drop?

There’s a backwards lift hill and then a backwards drop in a straight line basically

 

[Coaster Lover]

Because Im not that familiar with ride, what is the long straight shot track in the layout on the left side, is that after a drop?

Watch from 8:31 to 9:12 of the below POV (I don't think I need a spoiler tag for a ride that's 10 years old now, right?). As other's have said, it a small lift and drop (and by small, it can't be much more than 5-8 ft... I can't find an official number)

 

[veritas55]

Apologies, I was slightly off, but only by ~9K sq ft. The entire building is ~170K sq ft:
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However, the portion actually occupied by the ride is only about 91K sq ft (counting void space within the ride layout

Apologies, I was slightly off, but only by ~9K sq ft. The entire building is ~170K sq ft:
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However, the portion actually occupied by the ride is only about 91K sq ft (counting void space within the ride layout):
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okay, thanks. Then, assuming a good chunk of the queue for the new Villains dark ride will be indoors as well, the Villains ride will still be substantially smaller (but that's not much of a criticism given the enormity of the Shanghai ride.)

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

We’ve already seen the size of the buildings can change - nothing is confirmed yet.

 

[Disney Analyst]

I think for sure based on some insiders that Shanghai system is being used for Avatar West, so I could see it also being used for Villain's East.

 

[Coaster Lover]

okay, thanks. Then, assuming a good chunk of the queue for the new Villains dark ride will be indoors as well, the Villains ride will still be substantially smaller (but that's not much of a criticism given the enormity of the Shanghai ride.)

Nearly 100% of the Shanghai queue is indoors whereas significant rides like Rise, Flight of Passage, Tiana, and Seven Dwarves have significant outdoor portions of queue. Magic Kingdom could still have a ride on the size of Shanghai just with a larger portion of the queue being outdoors (possibly through a castle ruin or gnarled forest with plenty of overhangs and misters to keep things cool).

 

[DisneyHead123]

Is the size of the Shanghai Pirates building due to the ride system, or the length of the ride?

If it's ride length I feel it's almost certain they would do a shorter ride in the US - we are very much short attention span theater over here and a 12-13 minute ride might actually be a detriment to LL sales.

 

[Bocabear]

Is the size of the Shanghai Pirates building due to the ride system, or the length of the ride?

If it's ride length I feel it's almost certain they would do a shorter ride in the US - we are very much short attention span theater over here and a 12-13 minute ride might actually be a detriment to LL sales.

no it would not be a deterrent..... seriously... I don't think people would stay away from an attraction with a 2 hour line because it is a 12 minute long attraction....But I am sure corporate would like everyone to believe that people only like 1-3 minute attractions......There is no shortage of people waiting in line at the Shanghai park....on a cold rainy spring day the ride was packed....but oddly, there was like no one in line for Tron.... we went on it multiple times....even let us stay on it once....

 

[DisneyHead123]

no it would not be a deterrent..... seriously... I don't think people would stay away from an attraction with a 2 hour line because it is a 12 minute long attraction....But I am sure corporate would like everyone to believe that people only like 1-3 minute attractions......There is no shortage of people waiting in line at the Shanghai park....on a cold rainy spring day the ride was packed....but oddly, there was like no one in line for Tron.... we went on it multiple times....even let us stay on it once....

This is just my theory, of course. I do think Americans have very short attention spans though. Even rides that are meant to “take you on a journey” are short… FOP 4 minutes, Soarin 5 minutes.

Rides like Small World and more notably Rise are exceptions so maybe a longer ride holding people’s attention is possible. I still say, however, that if speculation about a Shanghai style ride hinges entirely on building size, it may be worth considering that we could get the ride system but not the length.

 

[Bocabear]

Well we did get the shortest pirates...the shorter version of the Frozen Ride, So I guess I would not be surprised....but considering what we are losing in the park in order for this to happen, I would like to think it would be a decent length ride... not a one minute wonder....Like & Dwarfs , Tron, or Tokyo's Oaken's Sliding sleigh ride....

 

[phillip9698]

This is just my theory, of course. I do think Americans have very short attention spans though. Even rides that are meant to “take you on a journey” are short… FOP 4 minutes, Soarin 5 minutes.

Rides like Small World and more notably Rise are exceptions so maybe a longer ride holding people’s attention is possible. I still say, however, that if speculation about a Shanghai style ride hinges entirely on building size, it may be worth considering that we could get the ride system but not the length.

Nothing to do with attention spans. More to do with cost and churning guests so they can spend more money.

 

[DisneyHead123]

Nothing to do with attention spans. More to do with cost and churning guests so they can spend more money.

I’d say it’s a bit of both, but again, just my opinion.

 

[MrPromey]

I’d say it’s a bit of both, but again, just my opinion.

The continued domestic box office success of James Cameron movies would suggest otherwise.

People are still queuing up for Pirates, HM, Spaceship Earth, etc... but making long complex rides full of animatronics is expensive. Coasters are relatively cheap in construction, have simpler maintenance and need relatively little in the way of theme. Look at GOGCR - it was an expensive building to put that coaster in but no animatronics and all effects on the ride are projections. Stationary screen-based attractions like Soarin' and FOP have to be short in order to have decent guest throughput since unlike a moving ride, there is no way to continuously feed people onto them.

If attention spans were so bad, you wouldn't have people waiting an hour+ in a boring line for a minute or two of entertainment.

 

[DisneyHead123]

The continued domestic box office success of James Cameron movies would suggest otherwise.

Suggest that overall attention spans are still good, even long? Sure, maybe. It could be that attention span is mostly a hardwired trait and all the reports of it supposedly shrinking boil down to technophobia, I certainly don’t rule that out.

 

[BrianLo]

Is the size of the Shanghai Pirates building due to the ride system, or the length of the ride?

A bit of both. It cannot be truly multi level, requires very large set pieces scaled against a 30 person vehicle and accelerates far more than a traditional PoTC/Small World.

Technically it has the capability of leaving a show building too. I wouldn’t normally surmise that would be the case, particularly in Florida. But they are simultaneously looking at having the system exit the building in DCA, so it’s worth adding to the soft speculation list along with more of the queue being outdoors.

 

[mysto]

no it would not be a deterrent..... seriously... I don't think people would stay away from an attraction with a 2 hour line because it is a 12 minute long attraction....But I am sure corporate would like everyone to believe that people only like 1-3 minute attractions......There is no shortage of people waiting in line at the Shanghai park....on a cold rainy spring day the ride was packed....but oddly, there was like no one in line for Tron.... we went on it multiple times....even let us stay on it once....

A sub 10-second attraction would be an achievement for the ages. Imagine convincing people to move closer to the venue, paying for first or ongoing access, paying for guaranteed lodging, all for such a brief payoff. Opa!

 

[mickEblu]

one minute wonder

You rang?

 

[Gusey]

This is just my theory, of course. I do think Americans have very short attention spans though. Even rides that are meant to “take you on a journey” are short… FOP 4 minutes, Soarin 5 minutes.

Rides like Small World and more notably Rise are exceptions so maybe a longer ride holding people’s attention is possible. I still say, however, that if speculation about a Shanghai style ride hinges entirely on building size, it may be worth considering that we could get the ride system but not the length.

To be fair, both FOP and Soarin are simulator attractions that require a complete ride sequence to be completed before you can load the next lot of guests. If they were longer, you'd be waiting longer between each cycle and the capacity of guests per hour would be significantly smaller. Dark rides on the other hand, it all depends on length of the ride and the number of ride vehicles that can be run on the track at the same time (part of the reason for Ministry's long waits at Epic Universe is that the ride hasn't got enough ride vehicles on the track at the same as time as what was planned and that's what they're working on fixing to help wait times at that attraction)

 

[veritas55]

Ride capacity (hourly throughput) has nothing to do with ride length: it's a function of ride vehicle capacity X dispatch time.

Some of Disney's shortest rides have the worst capacity (principally because of small vehicles): 7Dwarves, Frozen, Slinky, Peter Pan, etc. Some of their longest rides have the greatest capacity (e.g., Pirates, Small World, Dinosaur, Expedition Everest, etc.)

 

[Pizza Moon]

Does MK need another family level coaster? Doesn't Big Thunder Mountain and Mine Train meet that criteria.

I will say, mine train and big thunder are fantastic attractions.

Some of the best family coasters ever made.

They’d also be competing with them at their own peril