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MK Big Thunder Mountain to receive full retrack

bmr1591

bmr1591

Well-Known Member
Disstevefan1 said:
Disney has officially announced Big Thunder will open in the spring. Before the retrack started, they had already announced Piston Peak. I have to imagine when they announced the Spring opening of Big Thunder, any work related to Piston Peak was already considered?
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I'm not arguing. But Big Thunder being ready in mid-April doesn't mean they won't hold off opening it until late-May to finish up what they need to for Piston Peak.
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
bmr1591 said:
I'm not arguing. But Big Thunder being ready in mid-April doesn't mean they won't hold off opening it until late-May to finish up what they need to for Piston Peak.
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Astronomical Spring ends on June 20, so if they can open before then they will have held to their official announcement. ;)
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Disstevefan1 said:
If Disney attentionally chooses to spread work over quarters for financial reasons could be just my conspiracy theory.
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Disstevefan1 said:
I am not an accountant or a Disney spreadsheeter but I think it has to with spreading the cost over as many quarters as possible.

Maybe there is nothing to it and Disney’s subcontractors just work slow.

A while back I was talking with a WDW employee and he said that Disney would inspect and reject the subcontractors work for very insignificant things just to delay paying them. Not sure how true that is.

I WISH DISNEY INSPECTED AND REJECTED THE IN GROUND LIGHTING AT EPCOT!!!!!! ;)
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So, let's recap:
  • You don't know for sure if Disney is purposely spreading out construction projects "over quarters."
  • And if they are, you don't know why they would do that.
  • You recognize this "info" may be an unfounded conspiracy theory, yet you expound upon it like it's truly the case.
  • You don't provide any data to show that construction at Disney is significantly slower than just because that's the way Disney -- being a giant conglomerate with hundreds of chefs cooking that pie -- works.
  • You think a front line CM has inside information to how Disney deals with contractors and subcontractors

Here's some lessons for you to learn:
  • You don't have to comment on everything, especially the stuff you don't know anything about.
  • You don't have to make a joke about everything.
  • If you don't know something, you could ask, rather than simply guess and then look terribly uninformed.


For example:

Why are projects spread out over many quarters?​
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Answer: Disney's internal controls over construction projects is overly complicated. Also, even if Disney could get their projects built in half a year... they couldn't afford it. Take, for example, the $60B to be spent on Experiences across the globe. Disney doesn't have $60B siting in a checking account. All that expenditure will come from the profits generated by many, many quarters over the years to come.​
 
Biff215

Biff215

Well-Known Member
gorillaball said:
It’s well known they intentionally spread costs for financial benefit? Or it’s well known Disney is slow at timelines and the keyboard warriors have widely shared an unsubstantiated reason?
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You can call it what you want, but in the world of construction, the owner largely controls how quickly they want something built. Sure unexpected things happen that can delay the timeline, but how much money you’re willing to throw at it can speed or slow the process.

Disney is a business and they’re going to do what they think makes sense in any given situation. I might not like it but I can’t really fault them for it.

And just to be clear, this is in response to the so-called “conspiracy theory”, it’s not what I think is happening with BTMRR. I don’t think there’s any question that Piston Peak is having an effect.
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
MisterPenguin said:
So, let's recap:
  • You don't know for sure if Disney is purposely spreading out construction projects "over quarters."
  • And if they are, you don't know why they would do that.
  • You recognize this "info" may be an unfounded conspiracy theory, yet you expound upon it like it's truly the case.
  • You don't provide any data to show that construction at Disney is significantly slower than just because that's the way Disney -- being a giant conglomerate with hundreds of chefs cooking that pie -- works.
  • You think a front line CM has inside information to how Disney deals with contractors and subcontractors

Here's some lessons for you to learn:
  • You don't have to comment on everything, especially the stuff you don't know anything about.
  • You don't have to make a joke about everything.
  • If you don't know something, you could ask, rather than simply guess and then look terribly uninformed.


For example:

Why are projects spread out over many quarters?​
​
Answer: Disney's internal controls over construction projects is overly complicated. Also, even if Disney could get their projects built in half a year... they couldn't afford it. Take, for example, the $60B to be spent on Experiences across the globe. Disney doesn't have $60B siting in a checking account. All that expenditure will come from the profits generated by many, many quarters over the years to come.​
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Thank you Penguin for your most valued feedback. I truly do not know what I would do, or anyone in the wdwmagic forums would do without your most thoughtful and high quality replies.

Through your sincere insight I can live a better life.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!





;)
 
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gorillaball

Well-Known Member
Biff215 said:
You can call it what you want, but in the world of construction, the owner largely controls how quickly they want something built. Sure unexpected things happen that can delay the timeline, but how much money you’re willing to throw at it can speed or slow the process.

Disney is a business and they’re going to do what they think makes sense in any given situation. I might not like it but I can’t really fault them for it.

And just to be clear, this is in response to the so-called “conspiracy theory”, it’s not what I think is happening with BTMRR. I don’t think there’s any question that Piston Peak is having an effect.
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Response and a clarification, for you - not for the other.

Yes I agree you can choose to build faster, sometimes at a $ cost. I’m not in construction so forgive generalization in this hypothetical: iE: We can build that item for $200 million in 24 months. You want it done in 18 months? That will cost $250 million because I will have to run a 24 hour crew and x and x etc.

I don’t doubt this happens, that’s not “spreading costs” that’s limiting costs by not paying more for expedited process.

What I’m skeptical takes place is:
Ok, that $200 million can be done in 24 months but Disney asks if can you please make it 36 months so I can pay you $66 million for 3 years instead of $100 million for 2 years? You are spending $200 million either way. But “stretching it out” just means you are delaying that asset generating any revenue (LL, increased visits, etc). The $ paid isn’t hitting your financial results, doesn’t touch the income statement. No reason to spread it out to “keep the results good”. Now, once you put the asset into service you’ll have depreciation expense, but if the asset isn’t generating more revenue than depreciation they wouldn’t be building it in the first place.

I’m not in construction but I am in accounting.
 
montyz81

montyz81

Well-Known Member
Ok. I am in this thread for the first time. Can someone summarize the last few pages of threads and tell me if there is a potential opening date for the reopening of BTMRR? I'll be at the parks from April 25th to May 2nd.
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
montyz81 said:
Ok. I am in this thread for the first time. Can someone summarize the last few pages of threads and tell me if there is a potential opening date for the reopening of BTMRR? I'll be at the parks from April 25th to May 2nd.
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Astronomical Spring ends on June 20, so if they can open before then they will have held to their official announcement. ;)

The Meteorological Spring Ends on May 31 so if they can open before then they will have held to their official announcement. ;) ;)
 
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dmc493

dmc493

Well-Known Member
Willing to sign all waivers and wear the following outfit so I can ride during my visit next week.... reaching out to customer support, will keep the group posted

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eddie104

eddie104

Well-Known Member
HMF said:
There is a reason DL's attractions are in far better shape than their MK siblings and it has a lot to do with extensive refurbishments and not worrying about having arbitrary deadlines forcing them open before they are ready which WDW suffers from.
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Last time I read their BTTMR was in a need of refurbishment as well so this is irrelevant point.
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
wdwmagic said:

Big Thunder Mountain Railroad Refurbishment Permit Amendment Points to Later Spring 2026 Opening​

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Big Thunder Mountain Railroad Refurbishment Permit Amendment Points to Later Spring 2026 Opening

Big Thunder Mountain Railroad Refurbishment Permit Amendment Points to Later Spring 2026 Opening
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But its STILL SPRING at this point......

Astronomical Spring ends on June 20.

WHO ARE WE KIDDING? THEY ARE GOING TO MISS THIS DEADLINE! :mad:

As slow as they work, I guess to be safe they should not rush things to hit an arbitrary date.
 
HauntedPirate

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Again, I have no inside information or knowledge. But, if the original permit was to expire mid-March, and they pushed it out 4 1/2 months... I'd guess early June is probably a stretch goal at this point. July 4-ish, perhaps?
 

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