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News Avatar Experience coming to Disneyland Resort

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Why make Grizzly Peak if someone can just go to Yosemite? Well, because you can ride a river raft ride right after a haunted hotel drop ride right after a rollercoaster all in the same day in a safe and accessible environment. Also most people flying to California aren’t going to Yosemite, they re going to Los Angeles and San Francisco. The concept was fine. The execution was lacking.
Agree to disagree. I’m not going to turn this into pages upon pages on this topic by disputing your points, it’s all been discussed before. So will just say that you’ll have fans that want that experience while the majority I think don’t, opinions will vary of course so let’s move on.

Avatar is coming and the Park is what it is now.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Agree to disagree. I’m not going to turn this into pages upon pages on this topic by disputing your points, it’s all been discussed before. So will just say that you’ll have fans that want that experience while the majority I think don’t, opinions will vary of course so let’s move on.

Avatar is coming and the Park is what it is now.


The majority just want a fun park with nice atmosphere and good rides. Disney chooses how they want to deliver that.

What does Avatar coming have to do with the point I made? Avatar had nothing to do with them semi- abandoning the California theme.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
The majority just want a fun park with nice atmosphere and good rides. Disney chooses how they want to deliver that.

What does Avatar coming have to do with the point I made? Avatar had nothing to do with them semi- abandoning the California theme.
Avatar coming to DCA is the topic of this thread is it not?

So rather than us going back and forth on this for pages, again I’ll say I agree to disagree on the California theme and say let’s move on back to the actual topic of Avatar.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Avatar coming to DCA is the topic of this thread is it not?

So rather than us going back and forth on this for pages, again I’ll say I agree to disagree on the California theme and say let’s move on back to the actual topic of Avatar.

Right but you didn’t say let’s get this back on topic you said “Avatar is coming and that is what the park is now” implying that had something to do with what we were talking about.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Right but you didn’t say let’s get this back on topic you said “Avatar is coming and that is what the park is now” implying that had something to do with what we were talking about.
It was sort of implied in that statement that I was trying to get us back on topic, plus should have been more obvious when I said “let’s move on”.
 

DL-fan

Well-Known Member
I very much remember DCA 1.0. As terrible as it was, it had more soul, more potential than the park's current state and trajectory. Give me the Sun Wheel and the Orange Stinker over Pixar Pier anyday.
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DCA 1.0 was a disaster, you couldn’t get any closer to Disney making a Six Flags style park. The park was so bad its first couple of years that they basically gave you a BOGO deal with the purchase of a day at Disneyland. Buy a day at Disneyland, get a day at DCA free is what it was. You know things are bad when Disney and free are in the same sentence.
 
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DLR92

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Why make Grizzly Peak if someone can just go to Yosemite? Well, because you can ride a river raft ride right after a haunted hotel drop ride right after a rollercoaster all in the same day in a safe and accessible environment. Also most people flying to California aren’t going to Yosemite, they re going to Los Angeles and San Francisco. The concept was fine. The execution was lacking.
I actually get car sick on my way up to Giant Sequoia National Park three times of my life when my parent took a trip up there. For that reason-I have NO desire to back on my own terms. I absolutely hate camping too.

DCA execution always failed from the start. No one on the team was given such time to think through concepts to flesh out more, the goals of the park. Nothing.
DCA 1.0 Terrible
DCA 2.0 Has Promising Potential
DCA 2.5 Going back to backwards progress. Looking like DL ugly sister park again.
 

DrStarlander

Well-Known Member
I put this in the same category as opposition to radiator springs. It’s going to be gorgeous. It’s going to be one of the best rides at the resort.
I think there's a variety of concerns from how close this out-of-this-world theme is to the entrance to the park; how much smaller this execution will be than at DAK; lack of clarity about the number of attractions (or anything else); why they're not calling it a "land" which is signaling lack of ambition (or as I call it, "DCA Disease"); and the fact that because Avatar has left no cultural footprint (despite the box office), there's nothing most people are specifically looking forward to seeing manifested there -- no particular characters, vehicles, weapons, props, landmarks, etc. -- or wanting to pretend to do there. There's a lot to be skeptical about, even if the IP was executed well at DAK. Hopefully at D23 they provide some more encouraging info.

damn this thread has gone down just like the piston peak thread lol. Always petty arguments
Well, out West we only have two parks, and one has been under-everythinged for a quarter century. At WDW they can let any two parks go fallow and still be ahead. The stakes at DCA feel high and passions run high accordingly.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
I think there's a variety of concerns from how close this out-of-this-world theme is to the entrance to the park; how much smaller this execution will be than at DAK; lack of clarity about the number of attractions (or anything else); why they're not calling it a "land" which is signaling lack of ambition (or as I call it, "DCA Disease"); and the fact that because Avatar has left no cultural footprint (despite the box office), there's nothing most people are specifically looking forward to seeing manifested there -- no particular characters, vehicles, weapons, props, landmarks, etc. -- or wanting to pretend to do there. There's a lot to be skeptical about, even if the IP was executed well at DAK. Hopefully at D23 they provide some more encouraging info.


Well, out West we only have two parks, and one has been under-everythinged for a quarter century. At WDW they can let any two parks go fallow and still be ahead. The stakes at DCA feel high and passions run high accordingly.

I don’t think the average person can name two Avatar characters. It’s a visual spectacle that gets people in theaters and then people forget about it. With that said I’m still excited for the land/ attraction as I know the setting/ IP makes for great theme park source material.
 
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BrianLo

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why they're not calling it a "land" which is signaling lack of ambition (or as I call it, "DCA Disease");

If this is nothing more than a fancy ride facade and a ride with SDL Pirates tech with outdoor kinetics it is going to be an absolute banger and I think people are still severely underestimating it.

At this juncture Coco is almost assuredly “less ambitious” and there is no skepticism of wishing it would get cancelled. Granted I understand the argument around belonging/theme/fit.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I don’t think the average person can name two Avatar characters. It’s a visual spectacle that’s gets people in theaters and then people forget about it. With that said I’m still excited for the land/ attraction as I know the setting/ IP makes for great theme park source material.
I would argue the average person knows as least the main character of Jake Sully, beyond that you may have a point, though many may still know a few of the others. But yes I agree its more a spectacle and that is what draws people into the theaters, and ultimately the land.
 

Disney Analyst

Well-Known Member
DCA 1.0 was a disaster, you couldn’t get any closer to Disney making a Six Flags style park. The park was so bad its first couple of years that they basically gave you a BOGO deal with the purchase of a day at Disneyland. Buy a day at Disneyland, get a day at DCA free is what it was. You know things are bad when Disney and free are in the same sentence.

Truly. It looked cheap. It felt cheap. And one of the biggest complaints was that it lacked absolutely anything Disney.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
Like everyone, Pixar Pier was a move backwards. Avengers Campus is unnecessarily under-aesthetic and half baked. Hyperion is so disappointing in its empty state.

I don’t mind San Fransokyo or Lamplight lounge.

But we cannot also undo Radiator Springs, Cathay circle, World of Colour or the Grizzly Peak cosmetic package and call that product better.

This is all moot as DCA 3.0 sounds like a bigger step forward again.
 

DrStarlander

Well-Known Member
If this is nothing more than a fancy ride facade and a ride with SDL Pirates tech with outdoor kinetics it is going to be an absolute banger and I think people are still severely underestimating it.
I hope it's great. I could get very excited as more info comes out.
At this juncture Coco is almost assuredly “less ambitious” and there is no skepticism of wishing it would get cancelled. Granted I understand the argument around belonging/theme/fit.
For me, I kind of expect the high point of Coco is essentially going to be the finale scene of Tiana's with all the singing characters except they'll be skeletons. And maybe they'll deliver that scene a few times with different flavors. But what more are people expecting in this ride scene-wise? (As I said recently, I don't remember much of the movie, so it's not a rhetorical question). I want to be in the ride for 8 to 12 minutes or whatever, but I only have one scene/expectation. And that will satisfy me as long as the ride is long enough. But that's because I love the art direction and Day of the Dead theme and Mexican culture generally. And all that fits into the park beautifully, I think.

I don't need all attractions to be big fancy, banger attractions, I'd rather have great themed areas in which to vibe and many smaller dark rides (and a themed coaster) in DCA. And if it was between one 80,000 sq. ft. Coco boat ride behind Incredicoaster or two 40,000 sq. ft. dark rides (on being a smaller Coco with the scene I described), I'd take the latter.

EDIT: My heart goes out to those in Mexico right now experiencing the awful violence.
 

Disney Analyst

Well-Known Member
Like everyone, Pixar Pier was a move backwards. Avengers Campus is unnecessarily under-aesthetic and half baked. Hyperion is so disappointing in its empty state.

I don’t mind San Fransokyo or Lamplight lounge.

But we cannot also undo Radiator Springs, Cathay circle, World of Colour or the Grizzly Peak cosmetic package and call that product better.

This is all moot as DCA 3.0 sounds like a bigger step forward again.

The pier still looks waaayyy better than DCA 1.0.

Pixar overlay or not, I’d take the current version any day.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
I don't need all attractions to be big fancy, banger attractions, I'd rather have great themed areas in which to vibe and many smaller dark rides (and a themed coaster) in DCA. And if it was between one 80,000 sq. ft. Coco boat ride behind Incredicoaster or two 40,000 sq. ft. dark rides (on being a smaller Coco with the scene I described), I'd take the latter.

I think I might be a quality over quantity guy. It would be hard for me to still not choose New Orleans Square over lands with 3x the attractions.

I know people seem to hate the miniland or double headliner concept - but Epic’s Paris assuming it gets anther good headliner is what I might describe as the perfect land. I want more shows over C tickets.

Perhaps with the exception of World Showcase or Efteling’s Forest. Then sheer volume wins out.
 

Distorian

Well-Known Member
DCA 1.0 was a disaster, you couldn’t get any closer to Disney making a Six Flags style park. The park was so bad its first couple of years that they basically gave you a BOGO deal with the purchase of a day at Disneyland. Buy a day at Disneyland, get a day at DCA free is what it was. You know things are bad when Disney and free are in the same sentence.
I don't know what the opposite of rose-tinted glass is, but this is it.

DCA 1.0 sucked. Current DCA sucks even more. That's just how bad the park has become. Every complaint about DCA 1.0 is also true for current DCA. Are we really going to pretend that the Poultry Palace is better than Burger Invasion? They're the same thing, but at least Burger Invasion was visually creative and had McDonald's fries.
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Architectural Guinea Pig

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In the Parks
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I would awesome that the this land will be sized similarly to one subland of Fantasy Springs in Tokyo? They aren’t exactly lands by themselves but serve well with a great facade and theme etc. with one main anchoring attraction
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
I think there's a variety of concerns from how close this out-of-this-world theme is to the entrance to the park; how much smaller this execution will be than at DAK; lack of clarity about the number of attractions (or anything else); why they're not calling it a "land" which is signaling lack of ambition (or as I call it, "DCA Disease"); and the fact that because Avatar has left no cultural footprint (despite the box office), there's nothing most people are specifically looking forward to seeing manifested there -- no particular characters, vehicles, weapons, props, landmarks, etc. -- or wanting to pretend to do there. There's a lot to be skeptical about, even if the IP was executed well at DAK. Hopefully at D23 they provide some more encouraging info.

I agree these are all concerns various people have in regards to Avatar at DCA but I think these are more concerns that savvier fans like us have. I think the average person is more just upset about the fact that we’re not getting Frozen, Zootopia, Fantasy Springs etc that other parks around the world are getting which is just exacerbated by how much time has passed since we’ve received a new attraction based on an actual Disney property. I think you just have a large segment of fans who just don’t view Marvel and Star Wars as being the Disney they associate with Disney parks. It doesn’t hit them in the feels the way the classic Disney properties do and the way the world is going right now people want comfort wherever they can find it.
 

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