News Coco Boat Ride Coming to Disney California Adventure

[BrianLo]

It has never occurred to me that this strip could be redeveloped.

Assuming that’s the case- I think the backstage road hugs Disneyland drive, the coco show building is more inside and whatever the needs of the purple access road are it either terminates in a culdesac or as an emergency exit gate onto katella.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Can the entire downtown drive x Disneyland drive intersection be eliminated?

I never understood that was a possibility. This makes so much more sense for Disneyland forward.



I think this is what he means. Backstage road versus the bypass road - which I’ve now subsequently realized I was not zooming in enough to see that a major electrical line runs down.

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I’m not sure what the main purposes of the purple bypass is. If it can be turned into a culdesac or could even turn onto katella instead?

You got it!

I don’t think the purple road was ever really used by Disney? I’m assuming with Disneyland forward it mean they could now use that space for theme park expansion and so… here we are?

 

[mickEblu]

Can the entire downtown drive x Disneyland drive intersection be eliminated?

Eliminated now or in the future? For now they need the DTD parking lot but I guess could start using the old DTD surface lot which they are currently using as cast parking I believe.

 

[Disney Analyst]

It has never occurred to me that this strip could be redeveloped.

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Assuming that’s the case- I think the backstage road hugs Disneyland drive, the coco show building is more inside and whatever the needs of the purple access road are it either terminates in a culdesac or as an emergency exit gate onto katella.

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Good thought also. They could be pushing the main backstage road out to the new fence line.

 

[BrianLo]

Eliminated now or in the future? For now they need the DTD parking lot but I guess could start using the old DTD surface lot which they are currently using as cast parking I believe.

The future, for a theoretical Disneyland forward, once simba goes.

I’ve had such a mental error for years that I thought that intersection was required.

 

[mickEblu]

Good thought also. They could be pushing the main backstage road out to the new fence line.

This is what I originally thought (as I believe most people did) but removing the access off DL drive could indicate that the backstage road running along DL Drive will be eliminated with a new access point off Katella or perhaps it is no longer necessary. If the road was only being moved over than eliminating the gate off DL Drive makes less sense. Removing the gate to me implies the building will be butted up against DL drive and there is no use for that gate as there will be no road there.

 

[britain]

But even “butting against” the new fence still would require some sort of buffer of backstage access space. For guest emergency exits from Coco for example.

 

[BrianLo]

Removing the gate to me implies the building will be butted up against DL drive and there is no use for that gate as there will be no road there.

They’ll eliminate 1, but not 2. 2 is backstage. So backstage will shift towards a new alignment where 1 sort of used to be.

 

[Disney Analyst]

They’ll eliminate 1, but not 2. 2 is backstage. So backstage will shift towards a new alignment where 1 sort of used to be.

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Yes. The existing gate doesn’t even go into backstage, it just goes onto that road that is separate from backstage.

 

[mickEblu]

They’ll eliminate 1, but not 2. 2 is backstage. So backstage will shift towards a new alignment where 1 sort of used to be.

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Oh this makes sense. I thought we were talking about Road # 1. I thought there was enough room to work around road #2 but I can see now in your most recent images that isn’t possible unless it was a very narrow building.

 

[mickEblu]

They’ll eliminate 1, but not 2. 2 is backstage. So backstage will shift towards a new alignment where 1 sort of used to be.

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Ok I need to move over to the laptop. The images are too small on my phone. But considering the gate is being removed off of DL drive and the “location of backstage road #2” would it not make more sense to move the road closer to Incredicoaster if possible?

 

[coffeefan]

It has never occurred to me that this strip could be redeveloped.

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Assuming that’s the case- I think the backstage road hugs Disneyland drive, the coco show building is more inside and whatever the needs of the purple access road are it either terminates in a culdesac or as an emergency exit gate onto katella.

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What size show building would it be? Also, does it show parades could stay?

 

[Nirya]

That road used to be used for parking at the resort, by which I mean that if they didn't want to use the Manchester or Toy Story lot for whatever reason, they would funnel you along that road over to Mickey and Friends. I drove on it a few times before Cars Land opened and they stopped using it. I imagine it's been rarely used since then, so this is a fine shift.

 

[DrStarlander]

As far as the wide road around the south edge of DCA, someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that guests could exit I-5 and drive along Disney Way until they reached Harbor. They would cross Harbor and enter that road and follow it along all the way to the intersection of Disneyland Drive, cross Disneyland Drive, and enter the Simba lot. And that's why the road has lots of lanes and is nice and generously curvy. It was not a backstage service road. The backstage service road is a narrower road that runs mostly parallel immediately to the north.

Okay, if someone thinks I'm wrong let me know. But I've been saying on the forums for a couple years this wide road serves no purpose anymore (which is why they use it for storage) and represents reclaimable "net" land, as long as there is a service road around the perimeter. By that I mean they don't need this wide road and the service road, they can consolidate.

Which brings me to...I'm sticking with my layout theory from Jan. 8 for now, but things are getting interesting.

EDIT: For clarity, the service road exits onto Disneyland Drive behind Goofy's, as it does now.

 

[BrianLo]

would it not make more sense to move the road closer to Incredicoaster if possible?

No, because then guests would have to cross it. Essentially what is now a backstage road will instead be onstage. I’m still a bit suspicious the parade building is moved.

What size show building would it be? Also, does it show parades could stay?

We really dont know. But it does seem from concept art there’s actually quite a large plaza here before the archway. I think in part because one day that plaza needs to be the branch point to DLF. It also might be where they move the seasonal puppetry from the concept art.

Red being wheee this concept art starts.

 

[BrianLo]

As far as the wide road around the south edge of DCA, someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that guests could exit I-5 and drive along Disney Way until they reached Harbor. They would cross Harbor and enter that road and follow it along all the way to the intersection of Disneyland Drive, cross Disneyland Drive, and enter the Simba lot. And that's why the road has lots of lanes and is nice and generously curvy. It was not a backstage service road. The backstage service road is a narrower road that runs mostly parallel immediately to the north.

Okay, if someone thinks I'm wrong let me know. But I've been saying on the forums for a couple years this wide road serves no purpose anymore (which is why they use it for storage) and represents reclaimable "net" land, as long as there is a service road around the perimeter. By that I mean they don't need this wide road and the service road, they can consolidate.

Which brings me to...I'm sticking with my layout theory from Jan. 8 for now, but things are getting interesting.

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Yes I understand this a lot better than when you posted it. I think (but have absolutely zero clue) that the parade building is moved. It’s just more elegant to have coco hug the coaster and shift the parade Building.

The concept art just looks too close to the coaster.

 

[DrStarlander]

Yes I understand this a lot better than when you posted it. I think (but have absolutely zero clue) that the parade building is moved. It’s just more elegant to have coco hug the coaster and shift the parade Building.

Yes, I have no clue if the parade building stays or moves, that's a key piece. I've been wondering if Disney will move the parade storage building at Magic Kingdom (because, among multiple reasons, it's squatting on arguably the best next expansion space at that park...) but I get a lot of "that's not possible!" when I suggest it, haha. (Meanwhile the Disneyland horses now commute an hour to the park thanks to SWGE and backstage buildings across the Disney global empire are being torn down). We'll see!

 

[BrianLo]

Yes, I have no clue if the parade building stays or moves, that's a key piece. I've been wondering if Disney will move the parade storage building at Magic Kingdom (because, among multiple reasons, it's squatting on arguably the best next expansion space at that park...) but I get a lot of "that's not possible!" when I suggest it, haha. (Meanwhile the Disneyland horses now commute an hour to the park thanks to SWGE and backstage buildings across the Disney global empire are being torn down). We'll see!

I think I’ve convinced myself it is going. The image you posted is quite helpful. If you zoom in on it there’s just no way the coaster would be in the key art frame if the service road to the parade building remains where it is.

It’s the type of thing that you could pick a better angle to present the artwork if the guests weren’t literally walking next to it.


Almost to the point where this wall and vaguely those palm trees are what the artist is painting over.

 

[mickEblu]

No, because then guests would have to cross it. Essentially what is now a backstage road will instead be onstage. I’m still a bit suspicious the parade building is moved.

Would a little tunnel or (marigold) bridge not make it worth it? The Coco building I have outlined below would be 2.29 acres. With the road hugging the Incredicoaster and parade Warehouse ( in red). Of course the parade warehouse can also be modified.

 

[AJFireman]

As far as the wide road around the south edge of DCA, someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that guests could exit I-5 and drive along Disney Way until they reached Harbor. They would cross Harbor and enter that road and follow it along all the way to the intersection of Disneyland Drive, cross Disneyland Drive, and enter the Simba lot. And that's why the road has lots of lanes and is nice and generously curvy. It was not a backstage service road. The backstage service road is a narrower road that runs mostly parallel immediately to the north.

Okay, if someone thinks I'm wrong let me know. But I've been saying on the forums for a couple years this wide road serves no purpose anymore (which is why they use it for storage) and represents reclaimable "net" land, as long as there is a service road around the perimeter. By that I mean they don't need this wide road and the service road, they can consolidate.

Which brings me to...I'm sticking with my layout theory from Jan. 8 for now, but things are getting interesting.

EDIT: For clarity, the service road exits onto Disneyland Drive behind Goofy's, as it does now.

That road was originally the entrance and exit for the guest parking area before CarsLand. Now I do agree it has no other purpose now but not much can be done with it along Katella and Harbor due to Power Lines. The portion along Disneyland Dr I feel could be closed off because there really is no benefit gained for access even in an emergency. The first available gate to access DCA is halfway between Disneyland Dr and Harbor so the access the same from either direction. But I would think they prefer emergency access through the back road behind Goofy's since that has direct access to DCA.

Its going to be nice having the view from Pixar Hotel pretty much weekly as this build goes on.