MK Piston Peak and Villains Land Construction Thread

[monothingie]

Yes. Yes. Yes. And Yes.

He would’ve been much worse, in fact.

 

[mergatroid]

As another poster said...it is more about being disappointed than anything else.

Everyone was so excited about this land with knowing very little about it. Then we hear that they are "scrapping" plans for something bigger and bolder. And people are excited about that. Others find it jarring due to Disney's track record over the last 15 years. IMO, WDW been able to meet expectations on just one "land" since 2012. And that is Pandora. NFL was underwhelming, TSL was underwhelming, and GE, which was supposed to be the most ambitious yet, did not deliver on what was promised at all. And that doesn't even cover the other things they messed up along the way. And now for their next ambitious project, we find that their plans just were not cutting it. Why? Why after what they have learned over the last 15 years did they not have to scrap these plans and go in a different direction. And what does all of this say about Piston Peak, the land that tore out RoA? I think that should make people nervous.

Very true but that's the crux of this, we don't know. However we have people arguing (as they're perfectly entitled to) that from hearing that it has been decided by one person to make it bigger and better that it must mean it was awful. That's certainly a possibility but there's also the possibility that it wasn't and they just want bigger and better. Without knowing anything it's difficult to judge.

I'm sat here reading this and half laughing at the ability to turn we're getting something 'bigger and better' into a negative and also a little sad that some folk are so immersed into trying to seemingly bring others down to their level of negativity about it. It's not about whether they should or shouldn't be allowed to have their view (they should) or whether there's any logic to having that opinion (there is some) but I do find the extreme negativity amusing. I'm sure those posting it aren't bothered by me saying that, they've got tough skins I'm sure.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Did everyone ignore the part of the interview where Eisner praised Iger and was proud that Iger was his choice, and had done so well?

 

[Brer Oswald]

Yes. Yes. Yes. And Yes.

He would’ve been much worse, in fact.

That’s quite hysterical. 1, 2, and 3 would have NEVER happened under his watch. 4…it’s possible. But it wouldn’t have been bland Apple Park mixed with Pixar/Marvel rejects. Probably would’ve been gaudy, but more original, and I’d gladly take that over the garbage we have now.

 

[Stripes]

Who knows. Eisner had some good qualities. The parks were moving in a nice direction towards the end of his time - things were correcting themselves.

That’s quite hysterical. 1, 2, and 3 would have NEVER happened under his watch. 4…it’s possible. But it wouldn’t have been bland Apple Park mixed with Pixar/Marvel rejects. Probably would’ve been gaudy, but more original, and I’d gladly take that over the garbage we have now.

The fact that 2 decades after his abysmal projects turned out to be abject failures, he still thinks he made the right calls, says it all. As @Disney Analyst pointed out, a man died on Big Thunder purely due to his cost cutting and incompetence. As Tom Morris put it, “theming was a bad word at WDI.” The Eisner/Paul Pressler duo were actively destroying Walt’s park.

Say what you want about Iger, but I will gladly take New Fantasyland, Pandora, Galaxy’s Edge, Grizzly Gulch, Mystic Point, Cars Land, Shanghai Disneyland, and everything else from the Iger era over DCA 1.0, WDSP, and the original Hong Kong park.

 

[monothingie]

Did everyone ignore the part of the interview where Eisner praised Iger and was proud that Iger was his choice, and had done so well?

Rewatch the entire thing, not the clip to get the broader perspective. He certainly wasn't laying it on thick for Bob.

 

[monothingie]

Say what you want about Iger, but I will gladly take New Fantasyland, Pandora, Galaxy’s Edge, Grizzly Gulch, Mystic Point, Cars Land, Shanghai Disneyland, and everything else from the Iger era over DCA 1.0, WDSP, and the original Hong Kong park

Talk about cherry picking.

WOW

 

[Brer Oswald]

The fact that 2 decades after his abysmal projects turned out to be abject failures, he still thinks he made the right calls, says it all. As @Disney Analystpointed out, a man died on Big Thunder purely due to his cost cutting and incompetence. As Tom Morris put it, “theming was a bad word at WDI.” The Eisner/Paul Pressler duo were actively destroying Walt’s park.

Say what you want about Iger, but I will gladly take New Fantasyland, Pandora, Galaxy’s Edge, Grizzly Gulch, Mystic Point, Cars Land, Shanghai Disneyland, and everything else from the Iger era over DCA 1.0, WDSP, and the original Hong Kong park.

If we’re going to cherry pick the best of the first half of their tenure, how about Splash Mountain, Tower of Terror, Great Movie Ride, Indiana Jones Adventure, Star Tours, Mickey’s Toontown, etc. All instant classics, many of which you can’t experience anymore cause Iger and his goons replaced them with unadulterated slop. Heck, we got Disney SEA and the (overrated imo) Disney’s Animal Kingdom in the latter half of Eisner’s tenure. We couldn’t even dream of getting stuff with that level of detail and originality these days. Not even if OLC paid for it.

The Pressler stuff is indefensible, though, with the poor maintenance in Florida, I don’t think we were that far off from another incident.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Talk about cherry picking.

WOW

Not to mention, some of those things listed are duller than paint drying. Looking at Tragically Edge and Shanghai in particular.

 

[CoastalElite64]

If we’re going to cherry pick the best of the first half of their tenure, how about Splash Mountain, Tower of Terror, Great Movie Ride, Indiana Jones Adventure, Star Tours, Mickey’s Toontown, etc. All

Ironically, all those rides you highlighted are IP attractions (mostly live action like I said before).

 

[Stripes]

If we’re going to cherry pick the best of the first half of their tenure, how about Splash Mountain, Tower of Terror, Great Movie Ride, Indiana Jones Adventure, Star Tours, Mickey’s Toontown, etc. All instant classics, many of which you can’t experience anymore cause Iger and his goons replaced them with unadulterated slop. Heck, we got Disney SEA and the (overrated imo) Disney’s Animal Kingdom in the latter half of Eisner’s tenure. We couldn’t even dream of getting stuff with that level of detail and originality these days. Not even if OLC paid for it.

The Pressler stuff is indefensible, though, with the poor maintenance in Florida, I don’t think we were that far off from another incident.

Cherry pick? Everything I gave you was post-Wells Eisner.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing from the Iger-era that even comes close to the crap Eisner was putting out post-Wells. Absolute crap.

And there are several Disney attractions from the Iger-era that delight guests more than anything Eisner ever put out.

But it wouldn’t have been bland Apple Park

Also, I don’t want to hear a word against Apple Park. That place is gorgeous.

 

[Dranth]

Rewatch the entire thing, not the clip to get the broader perspective. He certainly wasn't laying it on thick for Bob.

He had no problem throwing others under the bus in this interview and in the past, so what reason would he have to hold back on Iger?

To me it sounded like he thought Iger did a good enough job overall but he disagreed with some of the direction.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The fact that 2 decades after his abysmal projects turned out to be abject failures, he still thinks he made the right calls, says it all. As @Disney Analystpointed out, a man died on Big Thunder purely due to his cost cutting and incompetence. As Tom Morris put it, “theming was a bad word at WDI.” The Eisner/Paul Pressler duo were actively destroying Walt’s park.

Say what you want about Iger, but I will gladly take New Fantasyland, Pandora, Galaxy’s Edge, Grizzly Gulch, Mystic Point, Cars Land, Shanghai Disneyland, and everything else from the Iger era over DCA 1.0, WDSP, and the original Hong Kong park.

Are you bobs burner account?

Your so upside down on this…trying to take ancexdotal occurrences over a few years and morph it into policy for decades.

Bob didn’t like parks…which means he didn’t like you. Facts.

Eisner has a dropoff…no doubt…but he didn’t hate the customers…at least not until he was run down in the office. And he gets a lot of Credit for going away.

Not holding my breath on that now

 

[monothingie]

Cherry pick? Everything I gave you was post-Wells Eisner.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing from the Iger-era that even comes close to the crap Eisner was putting out post-Wells. Absolute crap.

And there are several Disney attractions from the Iger-era that delight guests more than anything Eisner ever put out.

Also, I don’t want to hear a word against Apple Park. That place is gorgeous.
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Yeah because modeling your theme park after Apple HQ is entirely fitting....

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Cherry pick? Everything I gave you was post-Wells Eisner.

Wells was the peace maker and Hollywood negotiator guy…his chops were in creative. This has gotten almost legendary treatment over the years

There is nothing, absolutely nothing from the Iger-era that even comes close to the crap Eisner was putting out post-Wells. Absolute crap.

You mean the 3 parks circa 2000 that were built to satisfy contracts when Disney didn’t have the capital or space resources necessary?

And there are several Disney attractions from the Iger-era that delight guests more than anything Eisner ever put out.

Oh do tell

Also, I don’t want to hear a word against Apple Park. That place is gorgeous.
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That’s great…for the Stanford mba program. It doesn’t translate to TWDC

 

[flynnibus]

I just skimmed 25 pages looking for construction updates... what a fool

 

[UNCgolf]

Yes. Yes. Yes. And Yes.

He would’ve been much worse, in fact.

Animal Kingdom only exists because of Eisner. Iger would have never even allowed it to be built.

Post-Wells Eisner was far from perfect, but overall (solely when talking about WDW; not elsewhere), Eisner did far more good than Iger (I'm not suggesting that Iger didn't do anything good, though). The whole concept of WDW as people think of it now is really a product of Eisner.

 

[Andrew C]

I'm sat here reading this and half laughing at the ability to turn we're getting something 'bigger and better' into a negative

I am not sure why it is a stretch to understand how someone would reach that opinion. Seems obvious to me.

 

[monothingie]

To me it sounded like he thought Iger did a good enough job overall but he disagreed with some of the direction.

Interview in a nutshell: Mike believes he was an overall better CEO and was savvy enough to bring Bob in, but Bob screwed up in areas where he wouldn't have screwed up in.

In short, they're all full of it and suck. Some just suck more than others and some raise prices more than others.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Cherry pick? Everything I gave you was post-Wells Eisner.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing from the Iger-era that even comes close to the crap Eisner was putting out post-Wells. Absolute crap.

And there are several Disney attractions from the Iger-era that delight guests more than anything Eisner ever put out.

Also, I don’t want to hear a word against Apple Park. That place is gorgeous.
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The “crap” like Animal Kingdom, Tokyo Disney Sea, Pooh’s Hunny Hunt, and Expedition Everest? Even the lower tier of Eisner era stuff like Test Track and the Magic Kingdom Pooh ride were leagues better than the cheap rethemes we get these days.