MK Piston Peak and Villains Land Construction Thread

[Brer Oswald]

I think you might be going to deep here. Nintendo world…having been to two (one of which actually works) is a hit because it just overloads you visually. The rides are meh to be honest. So the theme here overpowers the attractions. The exact oppo of abramsland…where neither works and you want to curl up and take a nap

It overloads you visually because it’s based on Mario. Keep in mind it’s based on the tame, generic Wii U era of Mario. Just imagine if it took from one of the more imaginative games, like Galaxy or Wonder.

Zelda, especially BotW, is the exact opposite. Now imagine dull grasslands and mountains with the same mediocre Nintendo “test focused” rides we see in Yoshi and Mario Kart…and yeah we wouldn’t be far off from Universal’s Abrams-Kennedy Land.

 

[monothingie]

My point is simply that you can make anything into a negative.

I’m at fault for getting sucked in, 100% on me.

I honestly don’t get it though, why do a certain segment of people that hate everything spend so much time discussing it? I will assume you do truly enjoy something about the parks and you just don’t voice that perspective. If not, then seriously look for something else, life is short.

For me it’s politics, I can’t see the positive in anything I look at. It’s maddening to me. It is not enjoyable. So I have had to teach myself life is short, just leave it alone - I can’t control it.

Happiness and peace depend on your interpretation of events, not the events themselves.

It's not hate, it's disappointment.

It's a direct result of the rot which started from the top and worked down over the past 2 decades.

Lowering of standards and quality, hiring of unqualified leaders, increase in prices all take their toll on overall guest experience and perception.

Eisner sums it up best, “I’m not wild about the fact that it’s harder than ever to have everybody be a VIP at a Disney park [because] they’re selling certain things.”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's not hate, it's disappointment.

It's a direct result of the rot which started from the top and worked down over the past 2 decades.

Lowering of standards and quality, hiring of unqualified leaders, increase in prices all take their toll on overall guest experience and perception.

Eisner sums it up best, “I’m not wild about the fact that it’s harder than ever to have everybody be a VIP at a Disney park [because] they’re selling certain things.”

You mean the worst ceo ever?

Who was vindicated and lost that title in 5 seconds flat two weeks ago?

Oh I know…studio Paris and DCA sucked…but not everyone can Partner with authoritarian dictatorships and money Laundering hubs for the caliphate

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The last time a plan was redone after the initial announcement and art was New Fantasyland. Say what you will about SDMT but I think most of us can agree that it is superior to a Cinderella and Tink meet and greet.

Without it…considering it was post potter…it would have been the biggest joke - ridiculed by the industry and the fandom alike - to this day

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm not sure what your point is.

Since Len is not employed by TWDC, it stands to reason that someone directly or indirectly with this project wanted this information to be made public and provided it to him.

I have no idea whether it was a comms person trying to get out ahead of a potentially embarrassing leak that the up until now approved plan was junk, or it was someone on or involved with the project that was eager to spread the word that corporate is looking to "plus" the project.

I’d guess the latter…

…which means next week the emperor will execute order 66 and have joshie poo offed for not knowing his place

 

[Brer Oswald]

You mean the worst ceo ever?

Who was vindicated and lost that title in 5 seconds flat two weeks ago?

Oh I know…studio Paris and DCA sucked…but not everyone can Partner with authoritarian dictatorships and money Laundering hubs for the caliphate

Regardless of what some might say, I don’t think Eisner was ever in contention for the worst CEO ever. Even his worst years were better than the last 7 years of Bob.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

DCA Avengers, Tropical Americas or all of Tokyo’s last development cycle culminating in Fantasy Springs would be more recent examples.

In fact, it’s kind of hard to think of major projects where we don’t go through this.

Tokyo doesn’t Count…management isn’t involved. They don’t control a penny

Avengers is a positive…except they soiled it with that “we are poor and don’t have money” period. What a load of dung

And dinoland…unfortunately…was let to collapse and rot for at LEAST 10 years. It’s an embarrassment. I’m not gonna praise the guy who lights a house on fire on his way to the firehouse

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Regardless of what some might say, I don’t think Eisner was ever in contention for the worst CEO ever. Even his worst years were better than the last 7 years of Bob.

Of course not…I’m being “seriously sarcastic”

20 years ago…every dust huffing clown in fandom and all over the internet praised the sitcom weasel and his low ceilings by trashing the last guy. Who did need to go…but they had not a clue who and what they were talking about

Particularly over on the sugar plum bubble gum boards…

Unfortunately it was STOOPID and I haven’t died yet…so it’s time to cash the checks on that dipstickery

 

[Jambo Dad]

meh I persoanlly disagree. I liked what we got way more than the OG concept art. Plus I personally feel MK has the best fantasyland besides Paris, but that's just my opinion. And I only feel that way because like Paris our fantasyland has wide paths but yet still feels cosy and has a nice variety of things to do while feeling timeless

I have always found new Fantasy land underwhelming. Bunch of stuff- yes - but the end product feels like bits and pieces that don’t come together for me. No offense. And the gimmick that we added ‘two castles’ doesn’t really hit.

 

[CoastalElite64]

Regardless of what some might say, I don’t think Eisner was ever in contention for the worst CEO ever. Even his worst years were better than the last 7 years of Bob.

That's why Roy Disney had to do the"Save Disney" campaign?

Eisner was a disaster his last years.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That's why Roy Disney had to do the"Save Disney" campaign?

Eisner was a disaster his last years.

A bit more complicated than that

without retelling the story…Roy Disney died Pretty quickly after when the dust had yet to settle completely…

So you think if he were still around today he wouldn’t have a few “strong opinions” or two in the years since?

I got some magic beans to sell you.

 

[CoastalElite64]

A bit more complicated than that

without retelling the story…Roy Disney died Pretty quickly after when the dust had yet to settle completely…

So you think if he were still around today he wouldn’t have a few “strong opinions” or two in the years since?

I got some magic beans to sell you.

I know you want to deflect. My point is addressing the revisionist history of Eisner's latter years. They were failure after failure.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I know you want to deflect. My point is addressing the revisionist history of Eisner's latter years. They were failure after failure.

His last slate of projects were representative of a turnaround and an end to the second guessing. Iger kept the guy who didn’t like that burgeoning shift.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I know you want to deflect. My point is addressing the revisionist history of Eisner's latter years. They were failure after failure.

Nobody is glossing mistakes

What has always been missing is that the guy in the room who called out near obvious mistakes didn’t outlive Eisner by much.

He’d have a few things to say about the last Jedi and Toy Story land…rest assured

 

[gorillaball]

Negativity is the unfortunately natures way of counterbalancing blind faith.

There is some truth to that, I will give you that.

There is also the boy who cried wolf and nobody listened when he made a good point… errr actually had a wolf attacking his flock.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There is some truth to that, I will give you that.

There is also the boy who cried wolf and nobody listened when he made a good point… errr actually had a wolf attacking his flock.

 

[Stripes]

His latter years were definitely bad for the most part, but I don't think it outweighs how good his earlier years were (at least for WDW).

Has Eisner ever apologized or recognized the deficiencies with DCA 1.0? On The Imagineering Story he was talking about how limited budgets make creative people more creative, how he spent too much money on Euro Disneyland, and he seemingly had no regrets about DCA 1.0, Hong Kong, or WDSP because “nobody complained that he put the company in financial jeopardy.”

That line of thinking, decades later, is so bizarre to me. He still thinks he made the right decisions. WDW should consider themselves fortunate that they didn’t face the wrath of Eisner post—Wells like the other resorts did.

 

[Jack Torrence]

I think some people need to keep their perspectives in check here. People are complaining about something that we have, quite literally, zero details on. There has been nothing but dirt cleared. While I do think saying its gonna be the most amazing thing ever is definitely a choice, deciding that its going to be an abject failure (because... reasons?) is even more crazy. It says more about you than the project that you have seen one piece of concept art for.

Could it be being 'plussed' because the initial plans were trash? Surely. Could it also be that the plans were just really good and they wanted them to be actually great? That is equally as possible! But I would encourage some self reflection in the fact that you're letting a theme park land that you have no details on work you up into an absolute frenzy lol.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Has Eisner ever apologized or recognized the deficiencies with DCA 1.0? On The Imagineering Story he was talking about how limited budgets make creative people more creative, how he spent too much money on Euro Disneyland, and he seemingly had no regrets about DCA 1.0, Hong Kong, or WDSP because “nobody complained that he put the company in financial jeopardy.”

That line of thinking, decades later, is so bizarre to me. He still thinks he made the right decisions. WDW should consider themselves fortunate that they didn’t face the wrath of Eisner post—Wells like the other resorts did.

One may even argue his cheapness in those last years led to being company wide and systemic, which directly led to a horrific accident on Big Thunder.

Disneyland was allowed to rot up until the big 50th effort led by Matt Ouimet.

 

[mergatroid]

Saw that we might be getting better than expected on youtube and came on here to see what that might entail. Congratulations, I don't think I've ever seen so much negativity by so few on one thread!!! It's even rivalling the few years of being told how Pandora wouldn't work and how nobody really enjoyed the movie over on that thread. Heaven forbid anyone try to look forward to anything on here