MK Piston Peak and Villains Land Construction Thread

[Touchdown]

The last time a plan was redone after the initial announcement and art was New Fantasyland. Say what you will about SDMT but I think most of us can agree that it is superior to a Cinderella and Tink meet and greet.

 

[Andrew C]

The last time a plan was redone after the initial announcement and art was New Fantasyland. Say what you will about SDMT but I think most of us can agree that it is superior to a Cinderella and Tink meet and greet.

But unfortunately they still under delivered. I had high hopes now for this bigger and bolder redo. As I said in another post, I’m counting on them leaning from past mistakes.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Does anybody know when exactly this document was filed with the Florida Department of Environmental Protection?

My thought is: sure, you can submit a new document later, but if this document was just filed and the rumored changes to the plans were ordered late last year/earlier this year, why would they submit plans for review that they already know are inaccurate?

Perhaps @lazyboy97o can shed some light on the validity of my logic.

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Submitting already out of date plans isn’t completely unusual.

The reason it tends to happen is to keep at least some of the project moving forward. It depends on the nature of the changes. One is simply that creative changes may not be approved so until they are the old stuff continues. Its even possible that the design professionals doing the permit drawings are not even be officially aware of changes.

With something like the sanitary sewer lines the decision could be made that they’re going to remain, so anything being changed has to use these permitted lines and connection points. It’s also possible these drawings already reflect a change in direction because largely committing to the connections can be done more upfront.

 

[Tha Realest]

The last time a plan was redone after the initial announcement and art was New Fantasyland. Say what you will about SDMT but I think most of us can agree that it is superior to a Cinderella and Tink meet and greet.

Not true. SWGE and the Epcot reimagining changed drastically from what was announced and with its concept art releases

 

[Touchdown]

Epcot was devalued and things canceled or cheapened not replaced, ditto to GE. This appears to be a plus/replace with better, and why I went back to New Fantasyland.

 

[Disstevefan1]

In my opinion, the leak of 'scrapping the initial plan and think bigger', true or false, is a great leak and it makes Josh look good. They should have leaked it closer to the quarterly results call for maximum effect.

If its true, that's GREAT! it means Villains at least will not be controlled by the Disney spreadsheeters, the pressure will be where it should be, on Imagineering.

If its true, the Disney spreadsheeters will be happy, in that, the new Villains project will be spread over MANY MORE QUARTERS, we are not going to see Villains open for many, many years.

Cars land will be whatever the Disney spreadsheeters say it will be.

 

[Brer Oswald]

meh I persoanlly disagree. I liked what we got way more than the OG concept art. Plus I personally feel MK has the best fantasyland besides Paris, but that's just my opinion. And I only feel that way because like Paris our fantasyland has wide paths but yet still feels cosy and has a nice variety of things to do while feeling timeless

Better than Tokyo and California? Tokyo probably has the best blend of modern and classic Fantasyland. The classic Fantasy Faire style is kept in pristine condition, plus they have state of the art Pooh and BatB rides.

Disneyland Fantasyland is what all Fantasyland’s should be like. High quantity and quality of Classic Dark Rides. Best Small World too.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I mean... this is exactly my point?

It's pretty generic as a setting. There's not really anything that's going to make you stand in a land and think "this is Legend of Zelda!". Just because something is popular doesn't automatically mean it's a good fit as a theme park setting.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that means a Zelda land would be a failure or anything even remotely close to that. Just that it doesn't feel like a great property to use for a land.

Zelda lives and dies by what game the land is based on. If it’s Ocarina of Time era, it will have some semblance of visual identity. If it’s BotW era, then it will be boring.

Overall I agree with you. Even in the best case scenario, I’d much rather see another Mario expansion than an entire land dedicated to Zelda.

 

[lentesta]

You have to ask @lentesta. As a well known media figure and pundit on Disney Parks and Experiences,

Five years of leg days to get these glutes and you go with ... "pundit". SMDH.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Whether this reconceptualization is going to be better or worse is anyone’s guess.

Even if you’re optimistic for what this holds, it is worrisome that this late into the process some portion (or all?) of the plans have been “scrapped” after numerous levels of planning, budgeting, clearing and construction have been well underway.

I think the phase of “the process” is being overstated. There’s this assumption that since they filled in the moat they’re building like “malificents castle”…or something?

Why? Site work…they always do stabilization and utility feeds when they mess around park margins to save in case there’s something future.

There’s such work all Epcot that was never touched again…

We know they were building a car vroom vroom ride that takes up a lot of space…that wasn’t in doubt. It’s beatnik, IP and lightning lane friendly…

But what else was actually being done to now? Water management and open ended construction docs don’t exactly represent anything binding. Hell even in New York city you can completely alter plans (and i have…) for a couple hundred smackers.

 

[gorillaball]

You have to ask @lentesta. As a well known media figure and pundit on Disney Parks and Experiences, I’m sure all sorts of people with interesting tidbits of knowledge seek him out to tell him things and he seeks others out confirm things. And who’s to say that some of those things aren’t carefully constructed responses by comms people.

So your “public” communication is… “maybe” (pure speculation) someone told some guy to leak some info and use an adjective.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Zelda lives and dies by what game the land is based on. If it’s Ocarina of Time era, it will have some semblance of visual identity. If it’s BotW era, then it will be boring.

Overall I agree with you. Even in the best case scenario, I’d much rather see another Mario expansion than an entire land dedicated to Zelda.

I think you might be going to deep here. Nintendo world…having been to two (one of which actually works) is a hit because it just overloads you visually. The rides are meh to be honest. So the theme here overpowers the attractions. The exact oppo of abramsland…where neither works and you want to curl up and take a nap

 

[monothingie]

Five years of leg days to get these glutes and you go with ... "pundit". SMDH.

I think the classification is based on how many times you appear on CNBC or Bloomberg to determine your weight class.

I don't make the rules.

 

[monothingie]

So your “public” communication is… “maybe” (pure speculation) someone told some guy to leak some info and use an adjective.

I'm not sure what your point is.

Since Len is not employed by TWDC, it stands to reason that someone directly or indirectly with this project wanted this information to be made public and provided it to him.

I have no idea whether it was a comms person trying to get out ahead of a potentially embarrassing leak that the up until now approved plan was junk, or it was someone on or involved with the project that was eager to spread the word that corporate is looking to "plus" the project.

 

[ChewbaccaYourMum]

Oh man people.. I just heard that the new plans that rose from the scrapped plans have also been scrapped. They're being told to think EVEN BIGGER and EVEN BOLDER now. 20 rides! minimum 4 shows! Splash Mountain brought back, but with Brer Fox and Brer Bear winning in the end!

P.S. I am Imagineer and Josh's nephew!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So your “public” communication is… “maybe” (pure speculation) someone told some guy to leak some info and use an adjective.

I think you’re doing too much to cover for WDI here

Here’s the vibe I get from: they’re badly managed, not as much talent as needed, overspend, take too long, and under deliver as an annoying habit in recent years.

Certainly not always that way.

The original generation - Disney era - was a bunch of overgrown children who came up with oddball stuff and got it done.

The second era was mentored by the first and used new technology to up the game.

The third has a bunch of stiffs scared to try because Bobs no personality analysts micro manage them. Paralysis by analysis.

Some hits…but an alarming track of misses

Who trusts that this villains…whatever it’s gonna be?…had any semblance of cohesion or direction to begin with?

That’s more benefit of the doubt than I’ll offer right now

 

[BrianLo]

Epcot was devalued and things canceled or cheapened not replaced, ditto to GE. This appears to be a plus/replace with better, and why I went back to New Fantasyland.

DCA Avengers, Tropical Americas or all of Tokyo’s last development cycle culminating in Fantasy Springs would be more recent examples.

In fact, it’s kind of hard to think of major projects where we don’t go through this.

 

[rd805]

If they need to pause on planning, ultimately not the worst idea....IF that means they are really going to keep the current constructions projects pressing pretty well ahead.

By my count, 7 pretty decent things happening with 3 of them being the semi-quick rethemes (Smugglers, Muppets RnRC, & Animation Courtyard). They have plenty of other spaces that manpower can be spread amongst to help progress the progress.

 

[gorillaball]

I'm not sure what your point is.

Since Len is not employed by TWDC, it stands to reason that someone directly or indirectly with this project wanted this information to be made public and provided it to him.

I have no idea whether it was a comms person trying to get out ahead of a potentially embarrassing leak that the up until now approved plan was junk, or it was someone on or involved with the project that was eager to spread the word that corporate is looking to "plus" the project.

My point is simply that you can make anything into a negative.

I’m at fault for getting sucked in, 100% on me.

I honestly don’t get it though, why do a certain segment of people that hate everything spend so much time discussing it? I will assume you do truly enjoy something about the parks and you just don’t voice that perspective. If not, then seriously look for something else, life is short.

For me it’s politics, I can’t see the positive in anything I look at. It’s maddening to me. It is not enjoyable. So I have had to teach myself life is short, just leave it alone - I can’t control it.

Happiness and peace depend on your interpretation of events, not the events themselves.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

My point is simply that you can make anything into a negative.

I’m at fault for getting sucked in, 100% on me.

I honestly don’t get it though, why do a certain segment of people that hate everything spend so much time discussing it? I will assume you do truly enjoy something about the parks and you just don’t voice that perspective. If not, then seriously look for something else, life is short.

For me it’s politics, I can’t see the positive in anything I look at. It’s maddening to me. It is not enjoyable. So I have had to teach myself life is short, just leave it alone - I can’t control it.

Happiness and peace depend on your interpretation of events, not the events themselves.

Negativity is the unfortunately natures way of counterbalancing blind faith.

It’s always the way of fan/discussion groups.

If we all looked at things with an even keel approach…that would fade. But it’s not natural