MK Piston Peak and Villains Land Construction Thread

[AidenRodriguez731]

I’m kinda saying the same thing…they basically have had to announce a corporate pivot over the last few weeks.

They can’t treat parks as “those things…” as they have under Bob. Because he made no secret about it…

The there has been all but an acknowledged now that the money has to come from parks…It’s not gonna be studios…and it sure as hell isn’t gonna be wifi cable packages…

So they have to give this stuff way more lip service than they have the last 20 years…that’s just where we are.

Okay then we can agree on something. I think D'Maro is a very respectable humble guy though who is willing to say something didn't work out. This is what I've heard from every cast member I spoke to about him. I think he knew the fans were really really expecting something MAJOR and I think the 2 attractions was putting a few people into the idea it was gonna be like TSL 2 which I do think they are trying to avoid.

 

[Touchdown]

I mean... this is exactly my point?

It's pretty generic as a setting. There's not really anything that's going to make you stand in a land and think "this is Legend of Zelda!". Just because something is popular doesn't automatically mean it's a good fit as a theme park setting.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that means a Zelda land would be a failure or anything even remotely close to that. Just that it doesn't feel like a great property to use for a land.

It’s just funny that a Disney fan can’t see the appeal of a fantasy setting. The music, master sword, triforce will very quickly tell you where you are. Not to mention the iconic trio in the ride.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Anything with more Ichabod Crane is a big win! Maybe those windows in Liberty Square were prescient...
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He's just waiting for his new land...

You know at that point, I wonder if they would put the new ride as part of Liberty Square or Villian's though? It would make sense for either or...

 

[monothingie]

I imagine what actually happened was that there was multiple stages of planning etc on this and they clearly had concerns over budget considering how often budget cuts happen. Someone internally told them not to care about the budget and make something really cool.

Random person on forums who never heard this conversation or know what was depicted decided that it means what was depicted was so horrible that everyone just hated it despite being directly mentioned as most likely untrue by the insider who originally posted the rumor.

And in your imaginary dreamworld filled with pixie dust and dancing cupcakes that may have actually happened.

In the actual world where you can look at the past behavior of the Walt Disney Company, you can see that it’s another story entirely.

This is the same company that with two mega franchises said the theme park development was good enough and that they didn’t need to do anymore. So yeah, I’m gonna stick with my version that what they proposed sucked. Like really sucked. Like really really really sucked.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

It’s just funny that a Disney fan can’t see the appeal of a fantasy setting. The music, master sword, triforce will very quickly tell you where you are. Not to mention the iconic trio in the ride.

I think the problem was that visually the land is not the most "iconic" looking like Universal has been known for building recently. The ride doesn't really impact that, its the land itself.

 

[monothingie]

And we can always count on you to spin a positive into a negative. Funny how that works. Projection much?

Are you sure you’re a zebra and not an ostrich? With takes like that it’s pretty clear you spend a lot of time with your head in the sand.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

And in your imaginary dreamworld filled with pixie dust and dancing cupcakes that may have actually happened.

And the actual world where you can look at the past behavior of the Walt Disney Company, you can see that it’s another story entirely.

This is the same company that with two mega franchises said the theme park development was good enough and that they didn’t need to do anymore. So yeah, I’m gonna stick with my version that what they proposed sucked. Like really sucked. Like really really really sucked.

You are taking one quote from a long time ago, applying it to a different CEO and making up a story that Disney is trying to spin this despite it never being released publicly by Disney? This was mentioned by an insider, if it was what you said then shouldn't Disney be having a field day right now posting about "scope increases" etc etc?

 

[monothingie]

You are taking one quote from a long time ago, applying it to a different CEO and making up a story that Disney is trying to spin this despite it never being released publicly by Disney? This was mentioned by an insider, if it was what you said then shouldn't Disney be having a field day right now posting about "scope increases" etc etc?

Chapek wasn’t the CEO when galaxy’s edge came about or avatar. Do you want to take a guess who is in charge of the company when those things happened? Do you want to guess what Josh was doing around that time?

Don’t be fooled by the tight pants and slick hair. They’re all the same people.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And we can always count on you to spin a positive into a negative. Funny how that works. Projection much?

Wait…didn’t you tell everyone it was “exciting times” like a few hours ago?

Just stay in that zone… “WMDW!!!”

It is absolutely a negative that they had to scrap plans this far into the process. It must have been bad and I think it’s clear that there is a systemic issue within the company. And here we all were blindly celebrating a villains land.

Hopefully this change in direction will turn out to be a positive. At least they recognize the error of their ways. But nothing is guaranteed.

I’ll just shout at the kids on my lawn…

There was nothing tangible to this point anyway…is my opinion. These goofy fancon “announcements” have gotten out of control. They whip up a sketch and throw it at the mob…and then obfuscate unless the money mood hits them for years afterward.

I actually take lens report on this as a POSITIVE…because it shows much more intent to build than vague rumors tossed prior to today.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Chapek wasn’t the CEO when galaxy’s edge came about or avatar. Do you want to take a guess who is in charge of the company when those things happened? Do you want to guess what Josh was doing around that time?

Don’t be fooled by the tight pants and slick hair. They’re all the same people.

Uh Avatar is a widely beloved land without major cuts afaik?
Galaxys Edge was them trying to do something different and it was different. They definitely had a few shortcomings with it (ex. Smugglers Run needs to be improved which it is, it needs a table service, and could use another 1-2 attractions.) We are getting something atleast with someone admitting a partial fault, lets let that live and allow him to take the company in the direction he intends, seemingly very park oriented.

 

[lazyboy97o]

this is not "that late"?

The land is still being cleared. This is quite literally recently how Disney builds stuff. The land wasn't even due for another 4 years man. 4 years is plenty of time to plus some stuff as Len mentioned??

It’s absolutely late in that the project had already been approved. Concept Design was the time to reconsider the project. Four years was scheduled out based on design work being done and completed on a specific timeline. A huge team has been hired to realize the project and do the work and they won’t be shifted to changing work until later in the process. It is situation that should raise serious concern and questions.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Chapek wasn’t the CEO when galaxy’s edge came about or avatar. Do you want to take a guess who is in charge of the company when those things happened? Do you want to guess what Josh was doing around that time?

Don’t be fooled by the tight pants and slick hair. They’re all the same people.

The Same guy has been in charge for 20 years and still is as of this moment…

Acceptance is the first step to recovery when it comes to park fans. Believe me now…or believe me in a couple of years (maybe…)

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

It’s absolutely late in that the project had already been approved. Concept Design was the time to reconsider the project. Four years was scheduled out based on design work being done and completed on a specific timeline. A huge team has been hired to realize the project and do the work and they won’t be shifted to changing work until later in the process. It is situation that should raise serious concern and questions.

We never got a concept art or any confirmation for the rides whatsoever. Based on what Len said, it's going to be the same general concept, just plussed without limits.

 

[lazyboy97o]

We never got a concept art or any confirmation for the rides whatsoever. Based on what Len said, it's going to be the same general concept, just plussed without limits.

What does concept art or public announcement of rides have to do with anything? That information isn’t released on a set schedule tied to the design process.

 

[Touchdown]

I never meant it niche. I meant compared to Mario and Pokemon (as a whole), it did feel like the most minor and talked of the major 3. But I will concede the point that I did not know just how popular Zelda was. I'm not huge into Nintendo, that's more my fiancee.

-Pokemon is the most popular franchise in the world but their games are very simplistic so as to appeal to young kids
-Mario is the mascot and easily accessible, in a word fun. However Nintendo throws in challenges for more serious gamers to 100% it.
-Zelda is the “prestige series” that typically wins the awards and is favored by more serious gamers in comparison to the other two. If you were to start googling greatest video games of all time I would bet that the Zelda series would have the most entries of any Nintendo franchise.

Growing up I never liked Zelda. Link’s Awakening completely flummoxed me and soured me on the series. As an adult after college I stopped playing games for about 10 years. On a whim I bought the switch and when every source insisted that I try Breath of the Wild I decided to give it a chance, and loved it. When the pandemic came around and I was trapped at home alone for the most part, deleting my save file and then completing* (all shrines, ancient beasts, DLC, not korocks) the game is how I stayed sane in 2020.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

What does concept art or public announcement of rides have to do with anything? That information isn’t released on a set schedule tied to the design process.

It means that they most likely didn't finalize it enough at the time for an official announcement of what we are getting. No real timelines, not even a full attraction account if I remember correct, etc etc. We got 1 concept art sketch of the land. Disney can make a new sketch + build a land in 5 years

 

[monothingie]

Uh Avatar is a widely beloved land without major cuts afaik?

There was supposed to be more. A very impressive and exciting E Ticket.

Galaxys Edge was them trying to do something different and it was different. They definitely had a few shortcomings with it (ex. Smugglers Run needs to be improved which it is, it needs a table service, and could use another 1-2 attractions.) We are getting something atleast with someone admitting a partial fault, lets let that live and allow him to take the company in the direction he intends, seemingly very park oriented.

Another C Ticket and a TS restaurant or dinner show was cut.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It means that they most likely didn't finalize it enough at the time for an official announcement of what we are getting. No real timelines, not even a full attraction account if I remember correct, etc etc. We got 1 concept art sketch of the land. Disney can make a new sketch + build a land in 5 years

It doesn’t mean anything even close to that. Even a finished Blue Sky proposal isn’t that vague.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Okay then we can agree on something. I think D'Maro is a very respectable humble guy though who is willing to say something didn't work out.

…that’s hopeful…we shall see

There’s a really easy test case he can solve.

This is what I've heard from every cast member I spoke to about him.

Yeah well…that’s an improvement…but I wouldn’t make too much of it.

I think he knew the fans were really really expecting something MAJOR and I think the 2 attractions was putting a few people into the idea it was gonna be like TSL 2 which I do think they are trying to avoid.

Agree…hopefully

 

[monothingie]

We never got a concept art or any confirmation for the rides whatsoever. Based on what Len said, it's going to be the same general concept, just plussed without limits.

The part where they decide to design without limits is when the blue sky part phase happens… not after the land is cleared and there are construction workers pouring foundations.

And again, who is in charge when all this was going down?

At best, it’s the realization that what was proposed stunk royally, at worst it is the dysfunction in a relationship between the head of experiences and either his underlings and parks or his overlord in the c suite. And even worse, this was the one they chose to be the successor.