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The Fate of T. Rex Sue and Fossils in DinoLand U.S.A

JMcMahonEsq

Well-Known Member
The thing though is…how much money is Disney leaving on the table by not teaming with Sothebys or Prop Store? So much of Dinoland USA would auction for top dollar and offset a chunk of the Tropical Americas construction cost.

The Olden Gate Bridge brachiosaurus, Sue the T-Rex, the Carnotaurus and skeletons from inside Dinosaur’s rotunda room, and all the statuary from the Cretaceous Trail and the Dinosaur exterior queue would all be gladly purchased by collectors and museums across the country.

But no, Disney would much rather destroy them all.

Which seems so weird. A few years ago when NCIS New Orleans wrapped production, they had a garage sale of props. I think it was $200 and you could fill the bed of a truck with as much as you could. Everything from costumes to corpses.
What do you think is more likely, a for profit company like Disney would rather destroy everything, rather than making money, or that the company that knows what it has, knows what it would cost to demo/remove things in certain ways to then try to resell/donate them knows there isn’t money to be made on it, or that it would cost more in terms of schedule cost of construction?

Or hell, maybe it’s that the company has plans for certain items, but just doesn’t feel the need to publish them such that a bunch of uninvolved third parties don’t know what exactly is going on with an internal demo/remodling?
 

JMcMahonEsq

Well-Known Member
Disney has made many decisions that hurt its profits. I’m not saying the sale of artifacts would or wouldn’t have made a difference financially. I have no idea.
Ha the company made strategic decisions that didn’t pan out, sure. This isn’t that. This is just what will x cost. Plus honestly the level of cost/benefit for selling scrap/unused old things is probably a rounding error budget wise
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
What do you think is more likely, a for profit company like Disney would rather destroy everything, rather than making money, or that the company that knows what it has, knows what it would cost to demo/remove things in certain ways to then try to resell/donate them knows there isn’t money to be made on it, or that it would cost more in terms of schedule cost of construction?
Disney is such a Jekyll and Hyde company in this regard, the parks division are the definition of capitalism (arguably to a fault), while the movie division is perfectly content losing hundreds of millions for artistic or ideological reasons (arguably to a fault), it makes no sense.

I have no doubt an accountant looked at the dinosaur props/artifacts and determined it would cost more money to disassemble them than to simply destroy them and that was the sole factor in their demise. If a prop was worth $100k and it would cost $101k to preserve it for educational or other purposes it’s more “cost efficient” to simply destroy it, a purely capitalist move, “the greater good” wasn’t a consideration. Meanwhile over in Burbank they’re busy burning money on their next movie with a message, that’ll inevitably lose tens (if not hundreds) of millions, because it’s for “the greater good”.

It’s so bizarre to watch a company that is an example of the best and worst of capitalism while simultaneously also being an example of the best and worst of social activism.

Had the movie division been in charge I think every dinosaur prop of any educational/social/cultural value would have been saved even if it delayed the project by years and cost the company hundreds of millions of dollars. Since it’s the parks division though it was purely a dollars and cents issue so the dumpsters are getting filled.
 

WorldExplorer

Well-Known Member
Fun fact: the sick Triceratops puppet from Jurassic Park is preserved and on display at Give Kids the World Village.

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meanwhile at Disney: trash compactors go smash smash.

You're breaking my heart all over again.

One of my favorite Dinoland memories was seeing a kid in the middle of Rama, staring up with her mouth open, completely in awe at Cementosaurus.

Kids don't need a lot, they don't need animatronics, they don't need accuracy. They just want a dinosaur.

They could really have made a lot of kids happy here.

Had the movie division been in charge I think every dinosaur prop of any educational/social/cultural value would have been saved even if it delayed the project by years and cost the company hundreds of millions of dollars. Since it’s the parks division though it was purely a dollars and cents issue so the dumpsters are getting filled.

Disagree: dinosaurs, invoking a sense of wonder at the world you live in, and American culture and history aren't any of their pet causes, they wouldn't care either.
 

Bullseye1967

Is that who I am?
Premium Member
Is there any way to go here without a sick kid? I’m asking with all forms of respect for what this place represents, I just want to see this thing in person.
I volunteered there the entire time I live in central FL. As someone mentioned you can volunteer, but your can also kinda of volunteer. You can take a volunteer tour by making a donation and working a few hours in somewhere like the ice cream shops. You get to see the whole complex. Well the whole public side. The whole idea is if you are from out of town they get some help, show you around and maybe get a well deserved donation. If you are local you get a chance to dip a toe in the water and see what is going on. I would bet you 90% of the locals gave at least 8 hours a month. It is hard not to. This is a marvel to be seen. I think Vicky is still the volunteer co-ordinator.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member

Good to hear this, in Bioreconstructs last flyover you could see the base still sitting on the ground with the 2 support posts cut near the base, that gave me hope they’d carefully removed it rather than just crushing it.

Is there any way to go here without a sick kid? I’m asking with all forms of respect for what this place represents, I just want to see this thing in person.
Volunteering is the most common way but I think they do a Christmas light fundraising event also, they have in the past anyway.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
What do you think is more likely, a for profit company like Disney would rather destroy everything, rather than making money, or that the company that knows what it has, knows what it would cost to demo/remove things in certain ways to then try to resell/donate them knows there isn’t money to be made on it, or that it would cost more in terms of schedule cost of construction?

Or hell, maybe it’s that the company has plans for certain items, but just doesn’t feel the need to publish them such that a bunch of uninvolved third parties don’t know what exactly is going on with an internal demo/remodling?
Back when the Disney store existed I asked to purchase displays on a couple different occasions, and at a couple different stores, and was consistently told they had to be destroyed when they changed displays, including photo documentation that the displays were actually destroyed.

Still bothers me that of all those characters, castles, signs, etc (that would be treasured by Disney fans) ended up in a landfill.

Not sure the logic behind this but it shows profit isn’t always the only motivator.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Back when the Disney store existed I asked to purchase displays on a couple different occasions, and at a couple different stores, and was consistently told they had to be destroyed when they changed displays, including photo documentation that the displays were actually destroyed.

Still bothers me that of all those characters, castles, signs, etc (that would be treasured by Disney fans) ended up in a landfill.

Not sure the logic behind this but it shows profit isn’t always the only motivator.
Primary reason was to prevent them from being used in an unauthorized manner. Second was to prevent employees from selling company assets.
 

JMcMahonEsq

Well-Known Member
Back when the Disney store existed I asked to purchase displays on a couple different occasions, and at a couple different stores, and was consistently told they had to be destroyed when they changed displays, including photo documentation that the displays were actually destroyed.

Still bothers me that of all those characters, castles, signs, etc (that would be treasured by Disney fans) ended up in a landfill.

Not sure the logic behind this but it shows profit isn’t always the only motivator.
Makes sense. Corporate isn't going to want displays or other items being used by third parties or by unauthorized vendors. In that instance it is 100% about profit, and the marginal plus of selling a couple of display items being drastically outweighed by the costs/risk of others using their displays and getting third party claims.
 

HM GhostHostess

Well-Known Member
Original Poster

I hope this is true! That would be such a relief. As I have mentioned before, this situation goes beyond Disney and their property. This is about preserving the remains of animals that lived millions of years ago so that they can be further studied and appreciated by paleontologists and the public. If Disney wants to continue being respected in the scientific circles they have worked so hard to enter and become trusted in, taking good care of the fossils and casts that they own is a crucial.

Preserving this cast Sue is a significant first step, as it is of one of the most important specimens ever discovered. Now they need to preserve all of the other fossils and casts that were present throughout DinoLand U.S.A, such as the Apatosaurus femur on the wall of the main dining hall in the Restaurantosaurus, the Acrocanthosaurus skull just outside of the DINOSAUR gift shop, and the Pachycephalosaurus skeleton in The Boneyard, just to name a few. I have reached out to a couple of museums and they are receptive to donations of fossils and fossil casts. All Disney has to do is connect with the community and they will find plenty of opportunities to do the right thing. Whether or not they will do that remains to be seen.
 

EagleScout610

What a wisecracker
Premium Member
Disney is such a Jekyll and Hyde company in this regard, the parks division are the definition of capitalism (arguably to a fault), while the movie division is perfectly content losing hundreds of millions for artistic or ideological reasons (arguably to a fault), it makes no sense.

I have no doubt an accountant looked at the dinosaur props/artifacts and determined it would cost more money to disassemble them than to simply destroy them and that was the sole factor in their demise. If a prop was worth $100k and it would cost $101k to preserve it for educational or other purposes it’s more “cost efficient” to simply destroy it, a purely capitalist move, “the greater good” wasn’t a consideration. Meanwhile over in Burbank they’re busy burning money on their next movie with a message, that’ll inevitably lose tens (if not hundreds) of millions, because it’s for “the greater good”.

It’s so bizarre to watch a company that is an example of the best and worst of capitalism while simultaneously also being an example of the best and worst of social activism.

Had the movie division been in charge I think every dinosaur prop of any educational/social/cultural value would have been saved even if it delayed the project by years and cost the company hundreds of millions of dollars. Since it’s the parks division though it was purely a dollars and cents issue so the dumpsters are getting filled.
Iger acting like trashing Sue is the only thing keeping Disney from bankruptancy:
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Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
The reason this ‘Sue’ is not being sent to a museum for display, or even donated to one is because to mount has been altered / repaired / slightly changed over the years and does not qualify as a museum quality piece.

The reminds me of the excuse Disney had for not bringing back the lights of winter at EPCOT.
Disney said they "Did not have the technology" 🤣🤣🤣

Disney is full of creative folks.

Surely they can think up better lies.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Universal Orlando should come forward and say to Disney they would be happy to adopt Sue! 🤣

Disney would never allow Universal to take it, at the very least it would be a funny publicity stunt 🤣
 

JIMINYCR

Well-Known Member
The "storage facility":

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;)
We really need an investigation. Some well known, respected journalist who is trustworthy has to gain access to this 'storage facility and with photographic proof ensure us that Sue is receiving the proper care and handling she deserves. After all she is a valuable museum peice with historic significance. We must accept nothing less from Josh. Sue's fans demand accountability and assurance that he will see that she is handled with the utmost care being that she is a valuable Disney artifact. Sue MUST be preserved with the integrity and dignity she deserves being a unique and irreplaceable museum piece.
 

Movielover

Well-Known Member
We really need an investigation. Some well known, respected journalist who is trustworthy has to gain access to this 'storage facility and with photographic proof ensure us that Sue is receiving the proper care and handling she deserves. After all she is a valuable museum peice with historic significance. We must accept nothing less from Josh. Sue's fans demand accountability and assurance that he will see that she is handled with the utmost care being that she is a valuable Disney artifact. Sue MUST be preserved with the integrity and dignity she deserves being a unique and irreplaceable museum piece.
I've been told "Top Men" are working on it as we speak. ;)
 

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