Lightning Lane Premier Pass

[HauntedPirate]

That's the ad, not reality.

Most of us are park veterans who know:
1. LLPP = still having to wait in the LL.

2. No LL re-rides, no matter how empty the park is.

3. LLPP doesn't work with park hopping, but LLMP does.

No no, there's NO WAIT with LLPP. Someone here said so, an expert in line-skipping.

So sick of people claiming LL, in any flavor, is a "skip-the-line" system when Disney has never said that.

 

[Chi84]

Woah woah…3-4 Times a day isn’t reasonable for about the last 20 years…because the crowd grew beyond the capacity. So that was not sustainable at all. That’s like an offseason day in 1997.

We don’t need to rehash the rest. Having a $25 skip and DAS on rotation wasn’t providing “accessibility”…it was and would still be gaming a system. Loophole or not…the net result is the same.

There’s no loophole or gaming if people are simply buying what Disney allows them to buy.

 

[JD80]

Few things that tend to exacerbate me reading through these conversations that pop up every time this thread gets bumped.

1) With the DAS changes and LL:Standby ratio changes last year - the standby lines have been the best they've nearly ever been in the last decade. But very few seem to acknowledge that.

2) You don't need to buy LLSP/MP/PP to really enjoy your time. The argument that you have to buy these to enjoy the parks - is a misnomer. I've done the parks with LLMP/Genie+ for every day of my trip and I've done it with no days in my trip. Both have their pros and cons and I've had comparable experiences.

I think people arguing against these services might not have used them, don't know how to use them, or haven't been to the parks in 5 years.

 

[brettf22]

Lightning Lane Premier Pass is sold out at all parks on February 14 and 15:

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See more upcoming availability and pricing at this link: https://www.wdwmagic.com/genieprice.htm

I’d love to see the algorithm rationale that dropped the DHS LLPP price around 25% just for Saturday the 14th. Who doesn’t want to celebrate Valentine’s Day on Tower of Terror?

 

[DisneyDodo]

Lightning Lane Premier Pass is sold out at all parks on February 14 and 15:

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See more upcoming availability and pricing at this link: https://www.wdwmagic.com/genieprice.htm

I’m sorry but who is buying LLPP for DAK? With LLSP + LLMP (with no tiers), you can easily secure LLs for 4 of the park’s 5 rides in advance, and the 5th the day of, for a fraction of the price.

 

[Splash4eva]

Woah woah…3-4 Times a day isn’t reasonable for about the last 20 years…because the crowd grew beyond the capacity. So that was not sustainable at all. That’s like an offseason day in 1997.

We don’t need to rehash the rest. Having a $25 skip and DAS on rotation wasn’t providing “accessibility”…it was and would still be gaming a system. Loophole or not…the net result is the same.

We can continue ro agree to disagree about gaming a system. Even with the new rules. It is still allowed and encouraged by Disney so….

 

[Splash4eva]

That's the ad, not reality.

Most of us are park veterans who know:
1. LLPP = still having to wait in the LL.

2. No LL re-rides, no matter how empty the park is.

3. LLPP doesn't work with park hopping, but LLMP does.

I dont know anyone who has boughten the product who were unaware of anything you just stated…. disney makes it clear also so i guess the people i know are the smart wealthy ones. Lucky me.
Yes you have to wait in a LL which barring a shut down of a ride and you going whenit opens the LL line is basically nothing… as i said. Dont see a word about anyone complaining or asking for refunds about the product like we saw in past with other paid services.

 

[Chi84]

We can continue ro agree to disagree about gaming a system. Even with the new rules. It is still allowed and encouraged by Disney so….

I’m still waiting for someone to say where Disney prohibits this.

If Disney has a rule against something it needs to be stated. Otherwise people make up their own rules.

I’m a rule follower but it has to be Disney’s rule, not one made up by people who think it should be a rule.

 

[Splash4eva]

I’m still waiting for someone to say where Disney prohibits this.

If Disney has a rule against something it needs to be stated. Otherwise people make up their own rules.

I’m a rule follower but it has to be Disney’s rule, not one made up by people who think it should be a rule.

It was literally “taught” to me by cast members. Once again. Did i utilize it better than most i would say 100% so my usage was not the norm but again i didnt break any rules. If people chose not to have a DAS or a LL ready for after a meal or a show thats on them. Again. People who have DAS have it for reasons and for some it may not be enough and with long lines in parks another way to keep you occupied is by buying LL vs having to basically sit and do nothing at times. So again. Not sure how this has become an issue. Now as i have stated. I think the issue w DAS was the ability to book the same ride countless times a day. There should have been some type of cap or time restraint when you can go on again. They “nuked” the system to allow spots open for paid LL we all know that. Sadly as its been stated people are still scamming and teaching people what to say & how to say it. Problem is this. The process is a joke still and so arbitrary and inconsistent im shocked more isnt spoken about it.

 

[Chi84]

It was literally “taught” to me by cast members. Once again. Did i utilize it better than most i would say 100% so my usage was not the norm but again i didnt break any rules. If people chose not to have a DAS or a LL ready for after a meal or a show thats on them. Again. People who have DAS have it for reasons and for some it may not be enough and with long lines in parks another way to keep you occupied is by buying LL vs having to basically sit and do nothing at times. So again. Not sure how this has become an issue. Now as i have stated. I think the issue w DAS was the ability to book the same ride countless times a day. There should have been some type of cap or time restraint when you can go on again. They “nuked” the system to allow spots open for paid LL we all know that. Sadly as its been stated people are still scamming and teaching people what to say & how to say it. Problem is this. The process is a joke still and so arbitrary and inconsistent im shocked more isnt spoken about it.

I would also love to know how this has become an issue.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I’m not sure why it’s absurd. Someone is buying it although we have no idea of how many are sold.

WDW also has a history of selling overpriced products to people .

This forum is supposed to be a place where we, the consumers, try to help each other out and save any of us from becoming Disney spendthrifts.

Hyperbole and outright lies, like saying LLPP = no waiting at all, only erodes this forum.

Endless bickering further erodes this forum, as you've correctly pointed out int he past.

So let's do better.

 

[Jrb1979]

I’m sorry but who is buying LLPP for DAK? With LLSP + LLMP (with no tiers), you can easily secure LLs for 4 of the park’s 5 rides in advance, and the 5th the day of, for a fraction of the price.

Why? For people like my family we don't want to have a schedule to enjoy the parks.

 

[DisneyDodo]

Why? For people like my family we don't want to have a schedule to enjoy the parks.

Sure, but you technically have a 3-hour window for any of your LLs. If you’re staying onsite, you could schedule the rides in an order that makes sense for your family anyway, and you still have plenty of leeway for spontaneous decisions.

I mean, I understand that there is technically more than 0 added benefit to the LLPP over LLSP+LLMP. It’s just hard for me to see how that marginal upgrade is worth paying 3 times the price.

No judgment — it’s your money, spend it as you wish! I just find it surprising.

 

[Splash4eva]

WDW also has a history of selling overpriced products to people .

This forum is supposed to be a place where we, the consumers, try to help each other out and save any of us from becoming Disney spendthrifts.

Hyperbole and outright lies, like saying LLPP = no waiting at all, only erodes this forum.

Endless bickering further erodes this forum, as you've correctly pointed out int he past.

So let's do better.

I didnt realize we needed permission to spend our own money… do people judge DVC members and the countless points they continue to buy direct? I know i dont judge. But i digress

Everyone was in agreement that pre planning so far in advance for Disney was a pain (they arent unique here) plenty require similar but some enjoyed it as part of the trip. Others despised it

People complained going there was a pain starring into phones missing out on memories and moments and not be able to be present with their families.

Disney actually listened and heard what people said via survey's and other outlets (dont get me wrong it was mainly to line their pockets). So they provided a service that solved one of peoples main issue and here we are still complaining about what they did…

Again im the last defender of Disney i have been outspoken about it and have. Cancelled trips and chose not to go when invited but this decision they made here imo was far from their worst and actually something that provides value and makes a vacation to Disney. Actually feel just that a vacation.

As far as the comment of saying there are no waits. Lets face it. There really isnt in the LL you skip 99% of the wait and have to deal with loading and last minute mergers. As i said. I havent heard anyone complain who bought this product and say they were duped by Disney…

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

WDW also has a history of selling overpriced products to people .

This forum is supposed to be a place where we, the consumers, try to help each other out and save any of us from becoming Disney spendthrifts.

Hyperbole and outright lies, like saying LLPP = no waiting at all, only erodes this forum.

Endless bickering further erodes this forum, as you've correctly pointed out int he past.

So let's do better.

Who are you to judge what is overpriced? Do you have some fed appointment or gao powers that gets to set discretionary pricing for what is the “right” price for theme park services?

You know how to can tell disneys prices aren’t overpriced……the market decides to keep buying them. People as a whole are deciding that they aren’t overpriced because they keep buying them. They might be overpriced for you, but clearly not for the market that used the services.

This forum is for whatever people want it to be. Mainly talking about Disney. It’s not a support group, it’s not overspenders anonymous, and it’s not a therapist office. If you don’t want to spend money on disney…then don’t. I would say if you don’t want to spend money on something, spending spare time on a message board dedicated to talking about that something is pretty dumb, but to each their own. But consumers will decide on their own what they want to spend their money on.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m pretty sure I see the “LAST defender” of Disney everytime i walk past a mirror.

One of the great things we see on threads is when someone starts with “I don’t need to do ______”…and then proceeds to fill in the blank for 500 words on Multiple posts. Over and over again. Whatever that hints at…is what it is. Me too…though I try not to justify too much.

I think I’m with @Jrb1979…the more i think about it …
Just Dump everything and do the PP…nothing else. Instead of 7 different levels of a combination of pricing and rigging. No individuals, multi pass, DAS, etc

Make money the great equalizer. A two caste system instead of a 7 Layer dip

$200 tickets or $700 tickets…no exceptions.

 

[Chi84]

I’m pretty sure I see the “LAST defender” of Disney everytime i walk past a mirror.

One of the great things we see on threads is when someone starts with “I don’t need to do ______”…and then proceeds to fill in the blank for 500 words on Multiple posts. Over and over again. Whatever that hints at…is what it is. Me too…though I try not to justify too much.

I think I’m with @Jrb1979…the more i think about it …
Just Dump everything and do the PP…nothing else. Instead of 7 different levels of a combination of pricing and rigging. No individuals, multi pass, DAS, etc

Make money the great equalizer. A two caste system instead of a 7 Layer dip

$200 tickets or $700 tickets…no exceptions.

I think they know they’ll make more money with more options than those two.

I don’t think many people would support just LLPP and standby.

 

[Splash4eva]

I’m pretty sure I see the “LAST defender” of Disney everytime i walk past a mirror.

One of the great things we see on threads is when someone starts with “I don’t need to do ______”…and then proceeds to fill in the blank for 500 words on Multiple posts. Over and over again. Whatever that hints at…is what it is. Me too…though I try not to justify too much.

I think I’m with @Jrb1979…the more i think about it …
Just Dump everything and do the PP…nothing else. Instead of 7 different levels of a combination of pricing and rigging. No individuals, multi pass, DAS, etc

Make money the great equalizer. A two caste system instead of a 7 Layer dip

$200 tickets or $700 tickets…no exceptions.

Im looking forward to when they figure out how to add another layer that allows people to ride something more than once…. Thats where the fun begins.

 

[HoustonHorn]

I think they know they’ll make more money with more options than those two.

I don’t think many people would support just LLPP and standby.

But that's what Uni does, and it works pretty well. You are either gen-pop, you have the Express.

I'm a fan of LLPP. The trip I used it was the absolute most relaxing trip I've taken since I became the primary planner, and that relaxation and not having to criss-cross the parks was 100% worth it TO ME. YMMV, because we are all different. But FOR ME AND MY DAUGHTER, it was the right call.

That said, my favorite trip was back in November 2020 when there was no FP or LL, because all the lines moved. Everyone was equal and the parks worked as they were intended.

But that's gone and it ain't coming back. So when I go, I'll buy LLPP to make my days relaxing and stress free. I don't make the rules, but I'll play Disney's game in the way that is best for me and my family.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Im looking forward to when they figure out how to add another layer that allows people to ride something more than once…. Thats where the fun begins.

They can’t…frankly…because they have almost the same ride capacity - and way less entertainment and distractions - that they had circa 2000…

Estimated attendance was 44M that year…
That’s for 52M now? Math don’t work that way.

They just can’t support express pass. There has to be a limit. And as Len says repeatedly…they already are dependent on the LL money…as in the whole entire company is. Not a good slot to be in.