DAK “Zootopia” is being created for the Tree of Life theater

[Tom Morrow]

That’s honestly one of my favorite scenes.

You’re labeling everyone who liked it a simpleton. How are you any different?

Step off the soapbox and realize that this attraction is one of MANY with just 1 appealing to a newer generation. Disney got feedback that multiple of their newer rides were “too boring for people”. So they experimented with something new that was quick and snappy and it found its audience.

You are just contributing to a centuries old problem about how the “new generation just doesn’t understand”. The same thing when books and written media were being introduced, TVs/movies, the internet. Every change in media has given way to cynical edge lords like you who decree “This is bad because it’s not how I know it” instead of sitting down to understand anyone else’s point because you’re so high and mighty off your own supply that you can’t wake up for a moment to even factor anyone else’s opinions matter that aren’t in your own echo chamber of self importance.

Please lay off how pretentious you sound. You’re not different, you’re doing the same thing that generations have done since the written word. Everything new is bad and everything I know is good. Acting like ITTBAB is some fine masterpiece without dated Terminator references and a god awful fart joke (Full clarification, I also really liked ITTBAB, about equal to this, there is cringey parts of both and that’s okay)

Keep waving at the imaginary kids on your lawn and let the people who just want to enjoy something enjoy it. If I remember correctly, isn’t everyone saying that not every attraction has to be for everyone and it’s good that there’s attractions without huge waits! Not everyone who disagrees with you is a simpleton. I can’t imagine a way to sound more pompous or arrogant.

You're painting with broad strokes here, trying to pass off Better Zoogether as if that's just what all modern entertainment is like, but that quite objectively is not true. Yes, a lot of kids media is more hyper and fast paced than in the past, but again, things can be hyper and fast paced without being incoherent brainrot slop as well. A good example of this being done well instead of brainrot slop is Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway.

I was indifferent about ITTBAB leaving. It was not a masterpiece by any means, no. But compared to Zootopia, yes it was.

 

[DisneyHead123]

A part of me thinks this might be a bit of a microcosm for some of the future challenges facing Disney. Certainly there’s a longstanding tradition of each generation looking at the creative output of younger generations and thinking it’s crap, or immoral, or vapid, and so on. I think what has been escalating in the technology era, however, is that increasingly the internal logic or underlying rhythms in creative work translate less and less between generations. It’s not that it seems scandalous or silly to older generations, it’s that it literally makes no sense to them. (Zoogether isn’t an extreme example of this, as I can still in general tell what’s going on, but there’s an element of it there. I feel like Gen Alpha is just wired differently and while I don’t judge their media consumption, I do find it confusing. Some of it seems mind numbingly dull and repetitive, some of it seems to focus on visual details that I would never notice, much of it seems totally out of context to me but I guess not to them.) I think possibly we are coming out of an era when verbal narratives were paramount and into one that is far less linear in terms of how people think.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

You're painting with broad strokes here, trying to pass off Better Zoogether as if that's just what all modern entertainment is like, but that quite objectively is not true. Yes, a lot of kids media is more hyper and fast paced than in the past, but again, things can be hyper and fast paced without being incoherent brainrot slop as well. A good example of this being done well instead of brainrot slop is Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway.

I was indifferent about ITTBAB leaving. It was not a masterpiece by any means, no. But compared to Zootopia, yes it was.

It’s not what all modern entertainment is but it’s meant to engage a new audience that wasn’t super well represented by Disneys current offerings. They simply decided to cover their bases and get into some more audiences with 1-2 attractions. 2 attractions in the whole resort that deliberately appeal to this group. While I think Mickey and Minnie’s definitely grasps it a little better, I can appreciate and enjoy the faster paced “”TikTok”” type of style (wouldn’t call it that but i guess that’s the more appropriate term)

Not to mention, a lot of the detractors are calling it stuff like slop without acting stating why its considered “”slop”” its another nothing burger word in the making like the many that came before it used to criticize it everything a younger generation does.

 

[Tom Morrow]

But we have defined why it's slop all throughout this thread. I don't feel like repeating myself at the moment, but it's been well covered.

 

[Alice a]

Saw this in-person yesterday.

We were near a friendly family with 2 small children (toddler-ish and pre-teen, from the looks) for this and later on in one of the animal trails.

The kids seemed engaged with the movie when I glanced around the room, but both seemed far more enthusiastic about the animals on the walking trail.

To me, this says that, for those kids, at least, the movie was entertaining in the moment, but seeing the animals was a highlight, and a part of the day they’ll likely take away with them.

That feels like kinda a miss for WDW’s heavily-promoted ‘NEW THING FROM OUR BIG HIT MOVIE’.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

But we have defined why it's slop all throughout this thread. I don't feel like repeating myself at the moment, but it's been well covered.

You’ve repeated the phrase twice and typing that out would be a similar effort to just doing it.

To me, that implies that this whole argument is on shaky enough ground that it’s really a subjective thing and you know you can’t “prove” anything is objectively slop because it’s not slop. It’s a silly buzzword

 

[DisneyHead123]

I’m convinced that very few people experience the emotion of shame.

I think it manifests more as self hatred or “cringe” in our culture but same basic idea. In other parts of the world you might worry about your family’s good name, here you get a highlight reel of every stupid thing you’ve ever said in your life while trying to fall asleep.

To bring it back to the topic of Zoogether… I’m willing to judge it by the metric that I’m assuming it aspires to - wacky fun for Gen Z and Alpha, primarily. I actually have no idea if they succeeded in that (I haven’t taken my son to see it yet.) If younger audiences love it and don’t find it “cringe” though? I think that’s fine, not everything is for everybody. Just my personal opinion, I respect that others feel there are more objective standards to good art.

 

[MisterPenguin]

This will eventually be rethemed.

To Zootopia 3.

 

[Tom Morrow]

You’ve repeated the phrase twice and typing that out would be a similar effort to just doing it.

To me, that implies that this whole argument is on shaky enough ground that it’s really a subjective thing and you know you can’t “prove” anything is objectively slop because it’s not slop. It’s a silly buzzword

How about you just go back and read the thread, starting at when previews started a few months ago? But even in the last few pages we've been discussing many of the reasons it is slop.

"Slop" = low effort, churned out, cynical, incoherent media that elicits no emotions. Better Zoogether also seems like it was at least partially created by AI, so it's at least "AI slop" adjacent. The line in the song "We love what we've got! It's a melting pot!" just screams AI, for instance.

 

[discos]

Saw this in-person yesterday.

We were near a friendly family with 2 small children (toddler-ish and pre-teen, from the looks) for this and later on in one of the animal trails.

The kids seemed engaged with the movie when I glanced around the room, but both seemed far more enthusiastic about the animals on the walking trail.

To me, this says that, for those kids, at least, the movie was entertaining in the moment, but seeing the animals was a highlight, and a part of the day they’ll likely take away with them.

That feels like kinda a miss for WDW’s heavily-promoted ‘NEW THING FROM OUR BIG HIT MOVIE’.

I expereinced this first hand with my niece who's 4. She likes Zootopia and sat through the attraction just fine but didn't react to the film like she reacted to Mickey's Philarmagic the day before. When I asked what the best part of her day at AK, she said it was seeing the Hippos and Gorillas. Even when I asked my family who are casual Disney visitors and have been to the parks many times but don't follow it the way we all do, they were not fans of Better Zoogether. And they had no prior knowledge that such a large group of people disliked the attraction. I'm so curious to see guest satisfaction scores

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

If they'd just rework the show pacing issues by adding a breather scene to recap the plot, Remaster the audio to improve the clarity of the dialogue, Nix the fog burst scene, Change the finale instead of using the recycled MuppetVison3D/PhilharMagic gag. And... better explain how Carrotvision works (AR?) and how Clawhauser, Judy and Nick can interact with one another remotely (body cam footage? Drones?) Then MAYBE, just maybe this wouldn't be a great big ball of crap "paw-packed" soil.

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

"We love what we've got! It's a melting pot!"

Sounds more like long lost lyrics to Tiana's culinary disaster. ...very special spice makes us complete

 

[Tom Morrow]

I expereinced this first hand with my niece who's 4. She likes Zootopia and sat through the attraction just fine but didn't react to the film like she reacted to Mickey's Philarmagic the day before. When I asked what the best part of her day at AK, she said it was seeing the Hippos and Gorillas. Even when I asked my family who are casual Disney visitors and have been to the parks many times but don't follow it the way we all do, they were not fans of Better Zoogether. And they had no prior knowledge that such a large group of people disliked the attraction. I'm so curious to see guest satisfaction scores

That tracks. It's like they only aimed to make Better Zoogether about as entertaining as memorable as some random kids' video on YouTube. Thus, it isn't going to resonate with anyone.

If they'd just rework the show pacing issues by adding a breather scene to recap the plot, Remaster the audio to improve the clarity of the dialogue, Nix the fog burst scene, Change the finale instead of using the recycled MuppetVison3D/PhilharMagic gag. And... better explain how Carrotvision works (AR?) and how Clawhauser, Judy and Nick can interact with one another remotely (body cam footage? Drones?) Then MAYBE, just maybe this wouldn't be a great big ball of crap "paw-packed" soil.

You've already put more thought into it than the people that made it!

 

[donaldtoo]

That tracks. It's like they only aimed to make Better Zoogether about as entertaining as memorable as some random kids' video on YouTube. Thus, it isn't going to resonate with anyone.



You've already put more thought into it than the people that made it!

Yea, I watched another video again just to make sure I wasn’t missing anything…still crap, IMO, but…

 

[HMF]

A part of me thinks this might be a bit of a microcosm for some of the future challenges facing Disney. Certainly there’s a longstanding tradition of each generation looking at the creative output of younger generations and thinking it’s crap, or immoral, or vapid, and so on

It really is apparent that brand loyalty among Gen Z and after for Disney is not that great, not that I blame them considering the greed and stupidity of the Iger era.

 

[DisneyHead123]

It really is apparent that brand loyalty among Gen Z and after for Disney is not that great, not that I blame them considering the greed and stupidity of the Iger era.

Yeah, I certainly understand why Disney would want to reach out to Gen Z and Alpha, although I have no idea if Zoogether is appealing to those generations or not.

Side note, the younger generations often get flak for being different from older ones. While it is true that Gen Alpha seems to have a fairly short attention span, I feel like they also tend towards deep fascination with things in a way that makes them natural fandom types. I feel like the tricky thing is that their interests are all over the place, it’s not like back in the day when Disney was one of the very few things available to watch on television. Disney did such a great job evolving to appeal to Millennials, I’ll be curious to see how it goes with these next generations.

 

[Tom Morrow]

Guys, I dunno. Disney, at its best, makes attractions that are cool for all ages and all generations. ITTBAB was cool even for people who didn’t want to watch kid-oriented cartoony stuff because it was a presentation that did bold things that are thrilling for everyone and didn’t have a cloying, infantilizing tone. Kids do know when they are being patronized and talked down to.

 

[HMF]

Guys, I dunno. Disney, at its best, makes attractions that are cool for all ages and all generations. ITTBAB was cool even for people who didn’t want to watch kid-oriented cartoony stuff because it was a presentation that did bold things that are thrilling for everyone and didn’t have a cloying, infantilizing tone. Kids do know when they are being patronized and talked down to.

"You are dead if you only aim for kids. Adults are just kids grown up anyway."-Walt Disney.

 

[WorldExplorer]

Disney has not said it's for kids/teens. Disney labels it all ages. People just assume it's for kids because it sucks.

 

[HMF]

Disney has not said it's for kids/teens. Disney labels it all ages. People just assume it's for kids because it sucks.

That is largely true. Frankly, it still boggles my mind that the current version of Spaceship Earth and its insulting script has now lasted longer than any other version of the attraction.