I didn't say he's an outsider! I never said that! I just suggest we give him a chance first before we become judge mental! I'm surprise the people of X.com are more supportive than some people here in this forum!
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News Josh D’Amaro Named Next CEO of The Walt Disney Company
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Sirwalterraleigh
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…new to this neighborhood, huh?
flynnibus
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'stumbling' is harsh tho.
The other divisions are basically expected to be behaving like this
1 - Broadcast and traditional media are being turned on their head by generational shifts in the market. Entire segments will die never to return. The next generation for media is still an active battleground and no one really knows what the way forward truly is -- it's still being defined. While Disney's ROI on dollars is horrible, and they were slow to start which drove up their costs considerably.. now that they've started playing, they are actually doing quite well and have transitioned consumption (except for ESPN) quite well. They could be FAR FAR worse.. or mostly dead. But Disney had deep enough pockets, and willingness to spend, to pound through the early tough part. Where will they end up? We don't know... but they aren't Kodak right now, and that's a win.
2 - The movie studio business has always been a rollercoaster... plenty of studios have simply folded or sold out simply because they couldn't weather the down swings. What you can hang on Disney management is the insistence of the tent pole model vs arguments for peanut butter models to try to soften the swings... and their management of the theater model. IMHO their strategy here is killing this part of the business, but the low ROI is still pretty intrinsic to the line of business. You simply can't have everything be a hit.
All that said, both lines of business are facing industry wide armeggedon like scenarios - This isn't just a Disney thing.. this is 'how do these kinds of businesses need to change to exist in 10yrs?'. Disney is fighting.. but they aren't really winning the long game.. but almost no one is. So as the big guy, it's not so uncommon to move slow and look for successful disruptors.. instead of risking running too fast yourself in any one direction.
Vegas Disney Fan
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I think they’re just bitter Gen Xers who remember when Tv was free and you paid money for cable so you didn’t have to see ads.
One of the biggest scams Hollywood ever pulled off was charging for cable because there wasn’t ads and then putting ads on it and keeping the payment scheme anyway. Paying $100-200 a month to watch commercials is still one of my biggest pet peeves in life, which probably explains why I’m now on the most basic cable plan and 90% of my tv viewing is YouTube.
I have no problem spending thousands on a vacation but I draw the line on paying to watch commercials.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Donkey Kong is the most inadequate ride system ever built in Orlando. I don’t knack what hourly capacity they claim?…but it handles less that would he required for a coaster on an average day at Six Flags over McMurdo Station
HMF
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I agree and even during his "Bad" period he did greenlight some ideas that the Bobs never would have taken pen to paper. Hunchback of Notre Dame, Epcot Millenium Celebration Non-descript mountain themed to India or something the list goes on.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I totally agree…prolly cause we’re both angry Gen Xers, huh?
HMF
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He might be right about some things. I just don't' trust his motivations.There are varying levels of fear amongst all of us here that Peltz could be right…
We just won’t talk about it/admit it
Sirwalterraleigh
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flynnibus
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This is kinda apples and oranges though. YT's premium model really isn't anything core to the business model. It's nice f simply a way to offer some people a buy-out - and a nice free boost to YT revenue which helps them out in the cash flow department. Revenue from subs is not even a flea on the dog compared to ad revenue.
And that's the big difference... YT has so many eyes and so many views.. that is what the ad market wants. Networks trying to play professional long form content are never going to have that kind of demo that a platform like YT or any of the video upstarts have. And while platforms can buy content creators output.. a walled garden like a D+ is never going to get the influx of content (or cheap content) something like a YT or Instagram have.
Fundamentally these businesses are so different -- even tho both are video entertainment at the end of the day. D+, etc are not platforms who monetize what moves through them.. they are distribution and consumption models for the company's content.
HMF
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To be honest I am not sure the first one ended. The first 10 Iger Years were okay on paper but that was mostly others doing such as Matt Ouimet for DL's 50th Most of Bobs' work with WDI has been loaded with IP and the one thing he actually got right during this period The DCA re-Imagineering taught him the complete wrong lesson. People hated DCA 1.0 because it was cheaply designed and built not because Mickey's face was not slapped on the Ferris wheel and Cars Land was not just successful because it increased toy sales. Thus, why we now have virtually all the parks losing their identities or at least their ability to have their own identity outside of the concept of schilling plastic.
HMF
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That's largely because Hollywood has run out of ideas.
HMF
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I was under the delusion that having government telling media companies what to do was a bad thing.
HMF
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They already tried that. I am hoping that knowing history will keep them in shape, but I don't know how long the average management level CM's spend in the company today so we shall see.
wdwfan4ver
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Yep and people should be very concern if he becomes Chairman of the parks. What some of his moves did at Walt Disney World is not going to be looked at in a good way decades from now.
He is capable of doing moves that can't be undone in a bad way. He's capable of wanting stuff like Disneyland's Rivers of America be completely gone and think what that could from an atmosphere standpoint at Disneyland.
That goes against the more recent “instant gratification” generations. You expect people to… *gasp!* wait for something???
(For the record, I’m fully in favor of some kind of tiered release schedule for movies post-theatrical run)
Vegas Disney Fan
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Can’t really argue against any of your points, my only counter would be that I believe if they did make it free there would be enough eyeballs to justify companies paying a lot more for ads.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Here's the thing tho - they know the differences in scale.. and they know the ad rates for both the low volume and high volume stuff. So basically they already know what is needed to make the math work.. and they don't. That should tell you what you need to know.. because we know it's not because they don't like money.
The ad rates aren't in a vacuum... you are competing with the other platforms.. so the alternatives and pricing models are out there already.
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HMF
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Even waiting every three years for new Star Wars movies as it was during the prequel days seems quaint now, For better or worse.
Sirwalterraleigh
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I’d rather hear what D’Amaro’s neighbor’s cat has to say about him than Vahle