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[CoasterCowboy67]

Nobody protects the universe of energy…just the idea that that park in particular should maintain a cohesive theme…

But you know that.

Also it’s hard to whip an “elitist” strawman when it’s to preach from a pedestal. Very preachy.

And why must all rides be replaced? That’s the elephant…they need…and have needed…more ride capacity for 20+ years. So instead of reskins and ripouts…call for additions

You’re criticizing Cosmic Rewind for not keeping with Epcot’s theme while also criticizing Disney for not making a Marvel mini-land around it (which would be far, far off Epcot’s theme). It’s not clear you have any coherent argument

Elitists can’t be criticized? The difference is i didn’t call anyone dumb, I’m calling out the ones who did. Preachy is criticizing an entertainment company for entertaining people; claiming those people are dumb and just being brainwashed.

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

I use this analogy for music and all forms of entertainment: McDonald's sells billions of hamburgers.
Garbage the people happily scoff down.

Let’s examine that analogy. How is McDonald's selling billions if it’s garbage? Why is it garbage? Because it’s unhealthy or doesn’t taste good to you? How about the need it fulfills as an inexpensive, quick, or guilty-pleasure meal? Just because it doesn’t provide you a value proposition doesn’t mean it doesn’t for others, or that people who enjoy it are stupid. Food cannot and should not only come from Michelin star restaurants. It would be an awfully boring and uninteresting world if it did.

The Oscars are a good example — increasingly favoring niche, artsy, indy films and increasingly irrelevant as a result. Long are the days when people saw their favorite film win Best Picture. We’ll be lucky if winners make anything in the box office these days

Business cannot survive if they cater to the wishes of the smug, cynical, elitist few.

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

Also it’s hard to whip an “elitist” strawman when it’s to preach from a pedestal. Very preachy.

This was a deliberate choice btw. Preachy counterargument served to very preachy critics

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

usually the replacements make the parks more like a ride park and provide one more attraction that I can’t experience with my mom.

Does that make me an elitist?

Did you imply others who prefer those replacements only do so because they’re dumb, stupid or brainwashed? If you did, then yes demeaning opposing views by claiming superiority makes you elitist — by definition. If you didn’t, then no your unique preferences don’t make you elitist.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This was a deliberate choice btw. Preachy counterargument served to very preachy critics

I can see that…but it lessens the effect

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You’re criticizing Cosmic Rewind for not keeping with Epcot’s theme while also criticizing Disney for not making a Marvel mini-land around it (which would be far, far off Epcot’s theme). It’s not clear you have any coherent argument

Elitists can’t be criticized? The difference is i didn’t call anyone dumb, I’m calling out the ones who did. Preachy is criticizing an entertainment company for entertaining people; claiming those people are dumb and just being brainwashed.

Just to clarify…I’m not criticizing no marvel. I’m criticizing the decision not to buy out their own rights and have the whole catalogue available. Nothing stopping them. So instead to shove “some marvel” in a corner was…a choice. Not a particular good longterm one. The ride is great…didn’t need Chris Pratt.

And the wdw customer is dumb. Generally speaking. That is the hill I’m encamped on and have been long before this. Because they act like children. Keep paying more for repackaged lower quality stuff and want to groupthink celebrate it.

And why? There’s never an adult in the room…it’s all a child mentality of “want” over all else.

And just to be fair: I don’t call disneylanders that. They call for change and reject the bad….well sometimes anyway. But Something about the swamp water…
It’s why the decline is real and there appears to be no end.

But that’s just me being an optimist

 

[jah4955]

It should be absolutely without question, for all of eternity and forever more untouchable.
And "better?"
Yeah, the current crop at Disney can't come close to doing better.
More popular, yeah sure.
I use this analogy for music and all forms of entertainment: McDonald's sells billions of hamburgers.
Garbage the people happily scoff down.

An interpretation of this (likely to ruffle a lot of feathers)? Walt & his original crop of imagineers created what could be arguably "timeless" attractions as far as several of them go (in this case, Pirates (ALL the "PC" arguments aside just for this point please!) is to theme park attractions like Casablanca is to cinema, Tom Sawyer is to American literature or Romeo & Juliet is to drama). Its mass-appeal has become what the 70-year-old McDonald's burger recipe has become....it's not necessarily healthy for you but the supermajority of people enjoy them (whether they admit it or not).

To segue back to Monsters before we get the warning....hopefully the door coaster and many of the other things in-process will join the ranks of Pirates as "elite" or (heaven forbid!) "timeless".

 

[Bocabear]

they haven't really done "Timeless" in a while....Guardians is a great coaster and very well done...kind of Timeless.... not sure about any of the other recent additions.... Ratatouille? ehhh.... Moana?

 

[Purduevian]

they haven't really done "Timeless" in a while....Guardians is a great coaster and very well done...kind of Timeless.... not sure about any of the other recent additions.... Ratatouille? ehhh.... Moana?

What do you consider timeless? If we are talking IPs, I think anything that is 10+ years old and still relevant to current pop culture has probably hit the Disney "Timeless" IPs

-Frozen
-Moana (will hit that this summer)
-Tangled
-Incredibles
-Nemo
-Zootopia

 

[Bocabear]

I was talking about Timeless attractions.... THe Frozen ride is cute but somehow feels incomplete... the others have no representation as an attraction per-se... The DAK Zootopia attraction is not timeless....it is not even good. I would love to see them do something for those other titles though...Incredibles, Nemo, Tangled...a better Moana attraction....But lets face it, under current leadership, Incredibles would be built in the Morocco pavilion and Moana would be built in Tomorrowland....lol

 

[JD80]

Timeless, while subjective, is generally an attraction that pulls it's weight and acts as a draw to a park beyond it's initial introduction to the point where it starts building nostalgia.

I think something like Flight of Passage is hitting that mark now.

 

[Coaster Lover]

No one is calling for Pirates to be replaced. They're challenging the given that a ride is absolutely, without-question, for-all-eternity, and forever-more untouchable and impossible to replace with something better. It's a thought experiment people.

Personal opinion? EVERYTHING is replicable. I would just like Disney to make sure that when they are replacing things, they replace things with things with similar height requirements (or lack thereof) and (ideally) similar capacity. As a parent with young kids, having rides with no height requirement is SUCH a valuable asset! Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but before Test Track, there was only one ride in EPCOT with a height requirement (Body Wars) which made it very easy for families to find plenty to do (together) around EPCOT. Since then, most of the "no height requirement" rides/attractions have either closed or been replaced by attractions with a height requirement (Kitchen Cabaret to Sorin, UoE to Guardians, World of Motion to Test Track, Horizons to Mission Space). They've started to course correct this with the additions of Moana and Remy's, but there is still room for more. If they would choose to ever replace Pirates, I would just hope that they would replace it with another "no height requirement"/"people eater" type attraction.

 

[BrianLo]

I was talking about Timeless attractions.... THe Frozen ride is cute but somehow feels incomplete... the others have no representation as an attraction per-se... The DAK Zootopia attraction is not timeless....it is not even good. I would love to see them do something for those other titles though...Incredibles, Nemo, Tangled...a better Moana attraction....But lets face it, under current leadership, Incredibles would be built in the Morocco pavilion and Moana would be built in Tomorrowland....lol

Rise of the Resistance will be timeless. Which does not preclude tweaks, but I see it having the same shelf life as Disneylands Indiana Jones, which is to say over 30 years old and no one is seeking a replacement for it.

Probably MMRR will last reasonably well.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

usually the replacements make the parks more like a ride park and provide one more attraction that I can’t experience with my mom.

Does that make me an elitist?

Which replacements are you referring to?

The only 2 "non thrill" attractions that have been replaced is ROA & UOE, 2 is FAR from "usual".


ROA may have 1-2 non thrill attractions replacing it plus all the new atmosphere, dining, shopping etc.

Cosmic Rewind came around the same time as Remy's which "replaced" the non thrill left behind by the closure of UOE.

 

[HMF]

What do you consider timeless? If we are talking IPs, I think anything that is 10+ years old and still relevant to current pop culture has probably hit the Disney "Timeless" IPs

-Frozen
-Moana (will hit that this summer)
-Tangled
-Incredibles
-Nemo
-Zootopia

I don't consider any of those timeless. I don't really think they have produced many timeless things in this century.

 

[HMF]

The DAK Zootopia attraction is not timeless....it is not even good.

I am sure hoping its time is limited frankly.

 

[HMF]

Personal opinion? EVERYTHING is replicable.

I am sure TDO or WDI Would love to hire you.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Which replacements are you referring to?

The only 2 "non thrill" attractions that have been replaced is ROA & UOE, 2 is FAR from "usual".

Catastrophe Canyon, Great Movie Ride, and Osbourne lights as well.

 

[Incomudro]

Let’s examine that analogy. How is McDonald's selling billions if it’s garbage? Why is it garbage? Because it’s unhealthy or doesn’t taste good to you? How about the need it fulfills as an inexpensive, quick, or guilty-pleasure meal? Just because it doesn’t provide you a value proposition doesn’t mean it doesn’t for others, or that people who enjoy it are stupid. Food cannot and should not only come from Michelin star restaurants. It would be an awfully boring and uninteresting world if it did.

The Oscars are a good example — increasingly favoring niche, artsy, indy films and increasingly irrelevant as a result. Long are the days when people saw their favorite film win Best Picture. We’ll be lucky if winners make anything in the box office these days

Business cannot survive if they cater to the wishes of the smug, cynical, elitist few.


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You're kidding me, right?
As a hamburger it is a garbage hamburger.
Low quality by every measure by which one would gauge a burger.
Not even inexpensive anymore.
You can make a much better on by purchasing chop meat and buns at a supermarket and making it yourself.
Serves a purpose?
Yes, serves a purpose if a person is on the road and can't otherwise find something to eat.
That doesn't make the product good.
And sales are not an indication of quality.

 

[easyrowrdw]

The Oscars are a good example — increasingly favoring niche, artsy, indy films and increasingly irrelevant as a result. Long are the days when people saw their favorite film win Best Picture. We’ll be lucky if winners make anything in the box office these days

Business cannot survive if they cater to the wishes of the smug, cynical, elitist few.

This is true, but I think it is also (maybe more) reflective of the types of movies that are being made. Titanic won Best Picture. It was a big production made by a major studio to appeal to a large group of people. We still get some of that overlap (Oppenheimer, Argo), but often those movies are now Marvel or are similar franchise films.

Considering the top films at the box office you usually have one or two nominated for Best Picture. That sounds about right to me considering the movies that top those lists.