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DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

AidenRodriguez731

Well-Known Member
1973…

Do you know why there’s even a pirates in Florida? Google it
I know why there is, and it was certainly more normal for the time as a lot of people weren’t going to multiple Disney parks period. Not to mention, I never said that it had to be a full replacement of everything. It could still be a pirates like ride to scratch that itch, just different. It’s not sacred or anything imo is what I was getting at
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I know why there is, and it was certainly more normal for the time as a lot of people weren’t going to multiple Disney parks period. Not to mention, I never said that it had to be a full replacement of everything. It could still be a pirates like ride to scratch that itch, just different. It’s not sacred or anything imo is what I was getting at
So why did they build it?
 

CoasterCowboy67

Well-Known Member
No one is calling for Pirates to be replaced. They're challenging the given that a ride is absolutely, without-question, for-all-eternity, and forever-more untouchable and impossible to replace with something better. It's a thought experiment people.

Clearly not everyone agrees on what is "better" as we know from the Cosmic Rewind discussion that there will always be self-proclaimed Disney intellectuals (read: elitists) who dismiss ride replacements beloved by 90%+ of park goers as 'fodder for the dumb and stupid who just don't know better' (my paraphrasing / not a direct quote)

In dogmatically protecting "what" Walt created, they're throwing the "why" he created it out the window
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
No one is calling for Pirates to be replaced. They're challenging the given that a ride is absolutely, without-question, for-all-eternity, and forever-more untouchable and impossible to replace with something better. It's a thought experiment people.

Clearly not everyone agrees on what is "better" as we know from the Cosmic Rewind discussion that there will always be self-proclaimed Disney intellectuals (read: elitists) who dismiss ride replacements beloved by 90%+ of park goers as 'fodder for the dumb and stupid who just don't know better' (my paraphrasing / not a direct quote)

In dogmatically protecting "what" Walt created, they're throwing the "why" he created it out the window
Nobody protects the universe of energy…just the idea that that park in particular should maintain a cohesive theme…

But you know that.

Also it’s hard to whip an “elitist” strawman when it’s to preach from a pedestal. Very preachy.

And why must all rides be replaced? That’s the elephant…they need…and have needed…more ride capacity for 20+ years. So instead of reskins and ripouts…call for additions
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
No one is calling for Pirates to be replaced.
I am aware of that. The point I was making is that a lot of people use the inferiority of DCA's Tower of Terror to it's Florida sibling as an excuse for changing it into GOTG:MB and Florida's Pirates is almost universally known as inferior to Disneyland's version because of the circumstances surrounding the development of the Florida version which initially wasn't even supposed to exist.
 

FigmentFan82

Well-Known Member
I didn't even know what "Guardians Of The Galaxy" was prior to the first movie let alone think it would end up destroying DCA's Tower of Terror and Universe of Energy. Not that I am a Marvel fan anyway which I have always thought Disney owning it was a bad idea since 2009 for this exact reason.
It’s ok, not many people did know about GotG. And with the movies, cartoons and comics, now many people know them.
Your personal preference towards Marvel etc aside, Disney acquiring Marvel was a very good decision. It speaks to a segment they long have felt they underdelivered to - boys, and despite the recent crop of films not exploding at the BO, Marvel does amazingly well with all they produce including cartoons, comics, merch and more.
 

BlindChow

Well-Known Member
If they have some "dark ride" segments, it can be longer, of course. I can't figure out if the track layout suggests this, though. Maybe at the very beginning, when it's going from the load station to the gravity building (but that looks pretty short)?
Yeah, if the model they showed is the final version that they're building, it didn't look like it had places for stops. Even the section that juts out at the end (probable "through a door" sequence) doesn't look like it would facilitate a full stop.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
No one is calling for Pirates to be replaced. They're challenging the given that a ride is absolutely, without-question, for-all-eternity, and forever-more untouchable and impossible to replace with something better. It's a thought experiment people.

Clearly not everyone agrees on what is "better" as we know from the Cosmic Rewind discussion that there will always be self-proclaimed Disney intellectuals (read: elitists) who dismiss ride replacements beloved by 90%+ of park goers as 'fodder for the dumb and stupid who just don't know better' (my paraphrasing / not a direct quote)

In dogmatically protecting "what" Walt created, they're throwing the "why" he created it out the window

Right.

Yes, DL's POTC is incredible and should never be replaced.

WDW's is like a summarized version and I think the Shanghai Pirates is a marvel of engineering and very thrilling from what I've seen that would work better (DISCLAIMER I've not been to Shanghai, but can guess if I'm blown away by a video ridethru, that the actual would be better). I can understand why people might not like it being the storyline from the movies but I think it's great.
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
there will always be self-proclaimed Disney intellectuals (read: elitists) who dismiss ride replacements beloved by 90%+ of park goers as 'fodder for the dumb and stupid who just don't know better'
usually the replacements make the parks more like a ride park and provide one more attraction that I can’t experience with my mom.

Does that make me an elitist?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It’s ok, not many people did know about GotG. And with the movies, cartoons and comics, now many people know them.
Your personal preference towards Marvel etc aside, Disney acquiring Marvel was a very good decision. It speaks to a segment they long have felt they underdelivered to - boys, and despite the recent crop of films not exploding at the BO, Marvel does amazingly well with all they produce including cartoons, comics, merch and more.
I think Marvel was a great purchase

The problem is overexploitation and running it into the ground

Mission: accomplished
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
usually the replacements make the parks more like a ride park and provide one more attraction that I can’t experience with my mom.

Does that make me an elitist?
Exactly…

Though you don’t “experience” it…you ride it…see it…eat it…buy it

That term is brainwashing (I’ve mentioned this one before…similar to a call from inside the house)
 

Incomudro

Well-Known Member
No one is calling for Pirates to be replaced. They're challenging the given that a ride is absolutely, without-question, for-all-eternity, and forever-more untouchable and impossible to replace with something better. It's a thought experiment people.

Clearly not everyone agrees on what is "better" as we know from the Cosmic Rewind discussion that there will always be self-proclaimed Disney intellectuals (read: elitists) who dismiss ride replacements beloved by 90%+ of park goers as 'fodder for the dumb and stupid who just don't know better' (my paraphrasing / not a direct quote)

In dogmatically protecting "what" Walt created, they're throwing the "why" he created it out the window
It should be absolutely without question, for all of eternity and forever more untouchable.
And "better?"
Yeah, the current crop at Disney can't come close to doing better.
More popular, yeah sure.
I use this analogy for music and all forms of entertainment: McDonald's sells billions of hamburgers.
Garbage the people happily scoff down.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
WDW's is like a summarized version
That isn't really a fair assessment. MK's is indeed shorter but the backstory and governing logic are completely different. In the DL version you start in New Orleans Square ride through the Bayou, encounter the talking skull and splash down into the grotto sequence after the treasure cave you go through a transition tunnel that takes you back in time to the Caribbean in the 18th Century where the majority of the attraction takes place. After you pass what is now Jack in the Treasure room you go up the waterfall which takes you back to the "Present Day" and you disembark your boat and return to New Orleans Square. The idea in Magic Kingdom is that you are already in the Caribbean and the entrance to the ride is actually the building the Wicked Wench is firing at in the attraction there even used to be firing mist cannons on the roof of the facade to indicate this. The queue was originally designed so that you could even hear the Spanish soldiers warning about the pirates and reporting for duty to open fire on the pirates. Sadly, in 2006 when they shoved Jack in, they decided to blast the "Pirates Overture" music from the queue of the DL version into the WDW queue, and it sadly has remained that way ever since. The boat in the distance in the load area is supposed to be the pirate ship "Wicked Wench" you see later. The Grotto scenes in the Florida version are supposed to exist in the same time period as the town scenes unlike in DL. and the rest is pretty straight forward. Sadly, since WDI is headquartered in California and are mostly familiar with the DL version and incorrectly thought the Florida version was just an abbreviated version of the California version with the same backstory so a lot of these details especially with the exterior cannons and the queue are hard to discern since the Imagineers of the time mis-understood the premise of the Florida incarnation.
 
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Disgruntled Walt

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
That isn't really a fair assessment. MK's is indeed shorter but the backstory and governing logic are completely different. In the DL version you start in New Orleans Square ride through the Bayou, encounter the talking skull and splash down into the grotto sequence after the treasure cave you go through a transition tunnel that takes you back in time to the Caribbean in the 18th Century where the majority of the attraction takes place. After you Pass what is now Jack in the Treasure room you go up the waterfall which takes you back to the "Present Day" and you disembark your boat and return to New Orleans Square. The idea in Magic Kingdom is that you are already in the Caribbean and the entrance to the ride is actually the building the Wicked Wench is firing at in the attraction there even used to be firing mist cannons on the roof of the facade to indicate this. The queue was originally designed so that you could even hear the Spanish soldiers warning about the pirates and reporting for duty to open fire on the pirates. Sadly, in 2006 when they shoved Jack in they decided to blast the "Pirates Overture" music from the queue of the DL version into the WDW queue and it sadly has remained that way ever since. The boat in the distance in the load area is supposed to be the pirate ship "Wicked Wench" you see later. The Grotto scenes in the Florida version are supposed to exist in the same time period as the town scenes unlike in DL. and the rest is pretty straight forward. Sadly, since WDI is headquartered in California and are mostly familiar with the DL version and incorrectly thought the Florida version was just an abbreviated version of the California version with the same backstory so a lot of these details especially with the exterior cannons and the queue are hard to discern since the Imagineers of the time mis-understood the premise of the Florida incarnation.
I'm very much on Team WDW-Pirates, but I don't think this is completely accurate. Why is the fort full of skeletons? Why is there a skeleton pirate piloting a shipwreck before the drop? I think Time-Travel is still happening here.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
I'm very much on Team WDW-Pirates, but I don't think this is completely accurate. Why is the fort full of skeletons? Why is there a skeleton pirate piloting a shipwreck before the drop? I think Time-Travel is still happening here.
The only functionality of those scenes is just because of their iconography. I actually would have not included them if I was starting from scratch. Also, a major factor for the abbreviated caves was because at the time they were still expecting to build WRE eventually.
 

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