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News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge at Disneyland Gets Darth Vader in Major Timeline Expansion

Agent H

Well-Known Member
You wouldn’t prefer the iconic characters over ones that even many Star Wars Followers can’t even remember the names of?
No. I don’t have such a huge preference towards the original trilogy to make Hollywood studios capacity problems worse by taking a major E-ticket ride offline for what would objectively be an even swap.
 

el_super

Well-Known Member
John Williams literally wrote the music playing in the cantina...

Yes because he wrote the music for the movie. The movie where an actor named Mark Hamil walked onto a stage made to look like an alien cantina.

But Luke Skywalker can't listen to John Williams because John Williams, the human, can't live/exist in the Star Wars universe.

So is Galaxy's Edge supposed to be a real-life place or just a soundstage where they are making a movie? Maybe that answer can be different depending on what park you are in.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Yes because he wrote the music for the movie. The movie where an actor named Mark Hamil walked onto a stage made to look like an alien cantina.

But Luke Skywalker can't listen to John Williams because John Williams, the human, can't live/exist in the Star Wars universe.

So is Galaxy's Edge supposed to be a real-life place or just a soundstage where they are making a movie? Maybe that answer can be different depending on what park you are in.
If you’re going to try and marginalize Johnny in a Star Wars thread…you’re gonna need to have an ambulance and bandages handy

The mob forms for far less bold arguments
 

DrStarlander

Well-Known Member
John Williams literally wrote the music playing in the cantina...
Funny and true observation. In fact there's a bunch of diegetic music in the Star Wars movies, including some tracks called "Tatooine Street Music" which I can't find, yet. But from Jabba's Palace and various bars and celebrations (including the Ewoks).

I think the important aspect here is that music itself is diegetic in the Star Wars universe -- they listen to music! So, in a city like Batuu, would there be music? Yes, if there are merchants, bars and restaurants.

As far as the non-diegetic score, I understand the concern they may put the London Symphony Orchestra recordings on blast and walk away. Well, if they do that, shame on them. These musical themes are powerful, and evocative, and helpful. But they need to be arranged in ways that work for the environment and to some extent sound diegetic. These melodies performed on unexpected, vernacular instruments, like this and this can work subliminally and not disrupt the immersion as much as feared. It doesn't need to be symphony. Let's hope they take their time and are very deliberate (which, I believe they were in crafting the music for the new Haunted Mansion queue, right?).
 

AidenRodriguez731

Well-Known Member
Because those movies failed. They scored “event” box office…but then were forgotten in a minute. That’s what they plugged into the land and can be fixed rather easily…

The whole reason to buy Star Wars in the first place is because it remains popular overtime. They made the most anticipated “sequels” in the history of film…and they can’t touch them with a 100 foot pole. They aren’t ever mentioned by Disney.

Disney first fans seem not to grasp how catastrophic that is on the failure scale.

It’s prequel times about 5.

This has been almost a complete disaster from a business standpoint
It’s funny how the same people crying about other replacements for properties that no one cares about are also wanting to … retheme… an existing popular ride… to a “more popular part of the franchise”… just an intriguing idea really.

What happened to “we don’t need to replace anything! We can keep expanding!” Disneyland has the space for a new SW attraction if they wanted one. Why retheme something if you have space to build something new… right?
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
Let’s leave out the Williams slander. He’s the greatest popular film composer ever, if not on the Mount Rushmore of overall film score composers. He lost the 1978 Academy Award for best score for Close Encounters to himself (for Star Wars) which can be defended but is also a travesty because his CEOT3K score basically functions as a lead character in the film. He’s the second most nominated person in Oscar’s history, behind only Walt Disney.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Let’s leave out the Williams slander. He’s the greatest popular film composer ever, if not on the Mount Rushmore of overall film score composers. He lost the 1978 Academy Award for best score for Close Encounters to himself (for Star Wars) which can be defended but is also a travesty because his CEOT3K score basically functions as a lead character in the film. He’s the second most nominated person in Oscar’s history, behind only Walt Disney.
It’s rather ridiculous to attempt to marginalize Williams at all.

This is the height of stupido

On that…

My top 2 Williams themes:

March from 1941
And March from Superman
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
When I was about 12 years old, there was only one Christmas gift I wanted, the Spielberg/Williams Collaboration album...and it was wonderful.

I'll choose 2 underrated songs:
Theme from "Always"
"Cadillac of the Skies" from Empire of the Sun
 

Tom P.

Well-Known Member
It’s rather ridiculous to attempt to marginalize Williams at all.

This is the height of stupido

On that…

My top 2 Williams themes:

March from 1941
And March from Superman
Oh my gosh. You are saying things I *agree* with!

The March from 1941 is fantastic. It's a shame that it doesn't get more recognition in Williams' work because the movie itself didn't do that well. And I definitely agree with his Superman score. Just fantastic.

The only other film composer that I think is even in the same league as Williams is Jerry Goldsmith. To me, there are Williams and Goldsmith and then everyone else.
 

Tom P.

Well-Known Member
Funny and true observation. In fact there's a bunch of diegetic music in the Star Wars movies, including some tracks called "Tatooine Street Music" which I can't find, yet. But from Jabba's Palace and various bars and celebrations (including the Ewoks).

I think the important aspect here is that music itself is diegetic in the Star Wars universe -- they listen to music! So, in a city like Batuu, would there be music? Yes, if there are merchants, bars and restaurants.

As far as the non-diegetic score, I understand the concern they may put the London Symphony Orchestra recordings on blast and walk away. Well, if they do that, shame on them. These musical themes are powerful, and evocative, and helpful. But they need to be arranged in ways that work for the environment and to some extent sound diegetic. These melodies performed on unexpected, vernacular instruments, like this and this can work subliminally and not disrupt the immersion as much as feared. It doesn't need to be symphony. Let's hope they take their time and are very deliberate (which, I believe they were in crafting the music for the new Haunted Mansion queue, right?).
You know, I get it. I really do. I understand everything you have said and I know why they haven't wanted to just play the tracks from the score throughout Galaxy's Edge. And it makes sense.

But, that being said... I just can't bring myself to care. Seriously. I would be perfectly happy to hear the London Symphony Orchestra playing throughout Galaxy's Edge, and I think many other Star Wars fans would too. I know it makes no logical sense, as John Williams and his music doesn't exist in the Star Wars universe, but it would still just feel right.

John Williams and his music don't exist in the Harry Potter universe either. No one at Hogwart's is playing tracks from the score in their rooms. Yet they play the music prominently over at Universal in Wizarding World and it works just fine.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Oh my gosh. You are saying things I *agree* with!

The March from 1941 is fantastic. It's a shame that it doesn't get more recognition in Williams' work because the movie itself didn't do that well. And I definitely agree with his Superman score. Just fantastic.

The only other film composer that I think is even in the same league as Williams is Jerry Goldsmith. To me, there are Williams and Goldsmith and then everyone else.
You unabashed Trekkie…🖖

What I love about 1941 is how screwball it is…an odd take for early Spielberg

And nothing beats Superman…from the opening horns to the driving strings

Chills

Also a test of time…it has been used/made it through every redo of the man of S…its constant. Not even the bat can pull that off.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
Star Wars movies aren't very realistic....music throughout and also there's a lot of noise from the laser blasts in space, where there would be no noise at all in reality (2001: A Space Odyssey got it right).

Anyway, I'm of the mind that great music can really elevate a movie from being "good" to "great" and the same with theme park lands.

It would be interesting to watch the original trilogy with all music removed to see what the experience would be like.
 

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