New Tomorrowland @ Disneyland? Is this the year it finally gets announced? No, and that’s OK

[Phroobar]

The capacity on that ride at Universal is so terrible that adults can't ride it without a child.

And I don't know that there's a way to upscale it without it also going all over the land as an unsightly mess that wouldn't likely be particularly scenic or thrilling IMO.

You could make it like Peter Pan flight electrified from above. Not really a rollercoaster. That way speed could be increased or decreased. Larger cars can be used. They could even swing around curves. It would be no more ugly than an unused elevated pathway. The thrill is being above the ground.

 

[Phroobar]

You could make it like Peter Pan flight electrified from above. Not really a rollercoaster. That way speed could be increased or decreased. Larger cars can be used. They could even swing around curves. It would be no more ugly than an unused elevated pathway. The thrill is being above the ground.

What if the passengers had control over their pod? They could spin it in the air. Load/unload would be by conveyor belt so it continuously load.

 

[Misted Compass]

You could make it like Peter Pan flight electrified from above. Not really a rollercoaster. That way speed could be increased or decreased. Larger cars can be used. They could even swing around curves. It would be no more ugly than an unused elevated pathway. The thrill is being above the ground.

So basically like Jurassic Flyers in Beijing?

 

[SuddenStorm]

But they haven't exactly been killing it lately when it comes to new stuff. Also wouldn't an exposed track and supports all over the land be kind of ugly? Id be all for some sort of Tron/ Rocket Rods hybrid that uses either the carrousel or Buzz building for some interior show scenes.

That's also why the Tron coaster should never come to Disneyland. It's literally just a roller coaster with a metal canopy and some lights.

Every coaster in Disneyland is themed to look nothing like a roller coaster- and Disneyland should never have something that's only a step above Six Flags in their parks.

 

[Phroobar]

So basically like Jurassic Flyers in Beijing?

Bingo!

 

[TheRealSkull]

That's also why the Tron coaster should never come to Disneyland. It's literally just a roller coaster with a metal canopy and some lights.

Every coaster in Disneyland is themed to look nothing like a roller coaster- and Disneyland should never have something that's only a step above Six Flags in their parks.

I don't necessarily agree. If visible track disqualifies a high quality ride, Disneyland has been ‘Six Flags’ since 1959.

 

[SuddenStorm]

If visible track disqualifies a high quality ride, Disneyland has been ‘Six Flags’ since 1959.

Not visible track, visible coaster supports. And yes, we all know the Matterhorn had visible supports inside when it opened- but it corrected that and themed standards are higher now than in '59.

 

[TheRealSkull]

Not visible track, visible coaster supports. And yes, we all know the Matterhorn had visible supports inside when it opened- but it corrected that and themed standards are higher now than in '59.

Matterhorn fixing its supports wasn’t about visibility. It was about realism. Tron isn’t realism-based, I'd say it is more stylized architecture. Different design problem, different solution.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

I personally find coaster track to be very beautiful, and the supports are a part of that. Interesting lines, curves, and playing around with both symmetry and asymmetry is very visually interesting and stimulating. I'm not saying that all Disney coasters need to be or should be visible from a pathway, but I think doing it once or twice could add a very unique and engaging view to a land.

Especially something like Tomorrowland which sort of begs for that sort of thing. Interesting angles and shapes and formations of track and supports is very in line with the visual identity of Tomorrowland.

I mean I think of Islands of Adventure with this. Hulk and VeoliCoaster both are iconic, gorgeous views of the park's skyline. Coaster track and supports are not inherently ugly and can be very, very scenic. Knott's does a great job of this as well. Silver Bullet's supports are all over that land, and it makes for an incredibly fascinating walk around the lake.

 

[Disney Irish]

That's also why the Tron coaster should never come to Disneyland. It's literally just a roller coaster with a metal canopy and some lights.

Every coaster in Disneyland is themed to look nothing like a roller coaster- and Disneyland should never have something that's only a step above Six Flags in their parks.

Much of Tron is indoors, its only the quick outdoor portion that has the canopy. And there is no reason that says that Tron has to have an outdoor portion with a canopy if it comes to Disneyland. It can be completely indoors hidden from guests if WDI so chooses, just like Cosmic Rewind.

I would expect any "clone" if it comes to Disneyland would have a different configuration anyways, if not a completely different theme.

 

[TheRealSkull]

Much of Tron is indoors, its only the quick outdoor portion that has the canopy. And there is no reason that says that Tron has to have an outdoor portion with a canopy if it comes to Disneyland. It can be completely indoors hidden from guests if WDI so chooses, just like Cosmic Rewind.

I would expect any "clone" if it comes to Disneyland would have a different configuration anyways, if not a completely different theme.

Or a completely different ride altogether for Tron, which actually, I see as a far more likely option. When Cars was being rumored for Magic Kingdom, many heard rumors it was just a clone of Radiator Springs Racers. The rockwork actually would have fit in really well with Frontierland and complemented Big Thunder extremely well, as a nice backdrop. But then it turned out to be a new ride and a new story, which might work just as well. I'm not here to debate whether Cars should have replaced Rivers of America or not, but the same thing could happen here.

Anyways, I say this because if the return of the PeopleMover must 100% have an IP attached to it, then why not pay tribute to this?:

 

[Phroobar]

No capacity issue here. The supports could be themed the land like the People Mover ones are now. Flying is better than driving over the land.

 

[britain]

Or a completely different ride altogether for Tron, which actually, I see as a far more likely option. When Cars was being rumored for Magic Kingdom, many heard rumors it was just a clone of Radiator Springs Racers. The rockwork actually would have fit in really well with Frontierland and complemented Big Thunder extremely well, as a nice backdrop. But then it turned out to be a new ride and a new story, which might work just as well. I'm not here to debate whether Cars should have replaced Rivers of America or not, but the same thing could happen here.

Anyways, I say this because if the return of the PeopleMover must 100% have an IP attached to it, then why not pay tribute to this?:
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"Next time, users, you may not fare so well."

 

[britain]

No capacity issue here. The supports could be themed the land like the People Mover ones are now. Flying is better than driving over the land.

I appreciate the idea, but I don't think it's the right move.

The Peoplemover 'looks' like a public transportation system. The brain sees it and thinks 'train of some sort'. It's what made (or makes, at MK) Tomorrowland feel like a city.

If it were replaced with a suspended system like the Jurassic Flyers, the brain would see the track and the vehicles and think 'coaster of some sort... and a very slow one at that.'

Plus, you can relax in the PeopleMover, scoot a little closer to your honey, or put your toddler on your knee. You can't do that on a super restrictive suspended coaster seat.

 

[Phroobar]

I appreciate the idea, but I don't think it's the right move.

The Peoplemover 'looks' like a public transportation system. The brain sees it and thinks 'train of some sort'. It's what made (or makes, at MK) Tomorrowland feel like a city.

If it were replaced with a suspended system like the Jurassic Flyers, the brain would see the track and the vehicles and think 'coaster of some sort... and a very slow one at that.'

Plus, you can relax in the PeopleMover, scoot a little closer to your honey, or put your toddler on your knee. You can't do that on a super restrictive suspended coaster seat.

Having ridden the original People Mover hundreds of times in my life, it really wasn't that great. It is what you rode when you where exhausted at the end of the day. Now you want to make modern park goers ride 60s tech that is in pretty much in every airport in the country. It is boring transportation that goes nowhere. I know I would rather see the return of the Skyway over some driving buckets simply because it is in the air. Granted park goers will ride anything simply because it exists.

To many it look less like a coaster (which there isn't anything wrong with outside of snooty Disneyanna), Tomorrowland could be enclosed with a Tron-like roof and the supports integrated into it. You get the spinning, lightshow and attraction previews in the building all in one package.

 

[Nirya]

There is an idea that an updated Tomorrowland should consider a canopy of some kind for the majority of the land, allowing for futuristic light shows to be projected at night.

 

[DrStarlander]

So basically like Jurassic Flyers in Beijing?

I appreciate the idea, but I don't think it's the right move.

The Peoplemover 'looks' like a public transportation system. The brain sees it and thinks 'train of some sort'. It's what made (or makes, at MK) Tomorrowland feel like a city.

If it were replaced with a suspended system like the Jurassic Flyers, the brain would see the track and the vehicles and think 'coaster of some sort... and a very slow one at that.'

I haven't been on Jurassic Flyers but I've been on this ride system in terms of the Arthur ride at Europa-Park, and I can't endorse it enough. A great way to travel around the air and through buildings, turning the ride vehicle for views, speeding up and slowing down. An easy way to provide kinetic energy if PM can't be restored.

And while I don't particularly like the look of exposed coasters, and this is no exception, it wouldn't at all be hard to theme the supports and truss track, especially if the land had a retro-futuristic (1930s-1950s) vibe, where this kind of exposed steel structure and truss was common (e.g., bridges, elevated trains).

Plus, you can relax in the PeopleMover, scoot a little closer to your honey, or put your toddler on your knee. You can't do that on a super restrictive suspended coaster seat.

This is true. But we've seen other comments that too-cozy a ride has it's own issues.

 

[NobodyElse]

This is true. But we've seen other comments that too-cozy a ride has it's own issues.

PeopleMaker?

 

[TheRealSkull]

Having ridden the original People Mover hundreds of times in my life, it really wasn't that great. It is what you rode when you where exhausted at the end of the day. Now you want to make modern park goers ride 60s tech that is in pretty much in every airport in the country. It is boring transportation that goes nowhere. I know I would rather see the return of the Skyway over some driving buckets simply because it is in the air. Granted park goers will ride anything simply because it exists.

To many it look less like a coaster (which there isn't anything wrong with outside of snooty Disneyanna), Tomorrowland could be enclosed with a Tron-like roof and the supports integrated into it. You get the spinning, lightshow and attraction previews in the building all in one package.

The Skyway worked for the same reason the PeopleMover worked. It was there for elevation, motion, and perspective. The PeopleMover worked under very similar circumstances. It wasn’t there to impress you. It was there to make Tomorrowland feel like a future city. Kinetic energy.

Also if ‘going nowhere’ disqualifies an attraction, then the Railroad fails that test immediately. It’s literally a loop. But it's such an essential part of Disneyland and what makes it special from other amusement parks.

Yes guests can use the Railroad to get somewhere, but Disney primarily didn’t build it for that. I see most people wanting to take the full loop around the park.

 

[britain]

Having ridden the original People Mover hundreds of times in my life, it really wasn't that great. It is what you rode when you where exhausted at the end of the day. Now you want to make modern park goers ride 60s tech that is in pretty much in every airport in the country. It is boring transportation that goes nowhere. I know I would rather see the return of the Skyway over some driving buckets simply because it is in the air. Granted park goers will ride anything simply because it exists.

To many it look less like a coaster (which there isn't anything wrong with outside of snooty Disneyanna), Tomorrowland could be enclosed with a Tron-like roof and the supports integrated into it. You get the spinning, lightshow and attraction previews in the building all in one package.

I also rode it plenty of times, and it was one of my top 5 rides in the park, so to each his own. There are plenty of kids from automobile dominated cities that have no rail systems that would love to have time on a train. Any train, modern or old fashioned. There is something soothing about riding along a non-thrilling track.



And not just for those on the spectrum!



While I would prefer something more 'transit' than 'coaster', I'd definitely take the suspended coaster option over NOTHING.