DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[lazyboy97o]

$22.4 million is a lot for a show no one is talking about. Maybe there will be animatronics? Hoping for the best here.

Animatronics aren’t that cheap. It’s a pittance for a Disney project but it’s also not the full project cost. It’s an estimate of construction costs. For example, the cost to pay writers to write a show aren’t a construction cost nor is it going to show up in construction paperwork.

 

[HMF]

What do you mean not necessarily?

I mean if I could go back in time and tell Disney not to use Exxon as a sponsor, I would without question. I unfortunately lack the ability to change the past.

 

[ChewbaccaYourMum]

$22.4 million is a lot for a show no one is talking about. Maybe there will be animatronics? Hoping for the best here.

I think there's a couple different ways to read that article. The $22.4 million could be for the show alone, or the show PLUS the new shops and restaurants. I read it as either way, even though they do seem to single out the Muppet*Vision 3D theater.

Either way, whatever money they spend I don't care... I just want the show and whole land to be good!

 

[mattpeto]

It's behind a paywall, but were there any dates of permits dates and when they expire mentioned?

Is the consensus by the masses here that the entire land will open all together (in 2028 or beyond)?

 

[DCBaker]

It's behind a paywall, but were there any dates of permits dates and when they expire mentioned?

No dates were shared.

 

[doctornick]

Cosmic Rewind vs. Rise of the Resistance is a good example of this. Both expensive, headlining E ticket attractions, but there was far more demand for Rise than CR based on the VQ data. The Rise VQ would sell out (for lack of a better term) almost instantly essentially every day until they stopped offering it. The Cosmic Rewind VQ was very easy to get; it was usually readily available for anyone who wanted it except on the busiest days.

Is this true? I didn't get to ride CR until it had been opened for 2 years and the VQ was still running out in seconds. I seem to recall there were some periods when they were easier to grab and then it would get very tough so it might have been how slots where allocated for VQ vs ILL at times. And others have mentioned that reliability may have made it so they released less of ROTR's already lower capacity to VQ compared to Cosmic Rewind. Less supply is going to massively impact how quickly the VQ slots run out.

Maybe @gerarar could offer some insight.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Unfortunately, by my estimate, a good Monsters show would cost $22.6 million. This will be garbage.

 

[Coaster Lover]

$22.4 million is a lot for a show no one is talking about. Maybe there will be animatronics? Hoping for the best here.

For reference, when they updated Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln two years ago at Disneyland, that update was (reportedly) $5 million with the assumption that a large portion of that cost went to the instalation of the turntable and the single Walt animatronic. This is a substantially larger theater with a large preshow area (which will need significant changes), exterior queue, and exterior facade which will also need updates.

 

[James Alucobond]

Is this true? I didn't get to ride CR until it had been opened for 2 years and the VQ was still running out in seconds. I seem to recall there were some periods when they were easier to grab and then it would get very tough so it might have been how slots where allocated for VQ vs ILL at times. And others have mentioned that reliability may have made it so they released less of ROTR's already lower capacity to VQ compared to Cosmic Rewind. Less supply is going to massively impact how quickly the VQ slots run out.

Maybe @gerarar could offer some insight.

Wasn't the setup fundamentally different too? Like, Rise ran forever on the sort of pre-VQ onsite lottery, which allowed the entire day to sell out immediately and spurred abnormal behavior with regard to rope drop. I think Cosmic Rewind, by contrast, dropped at least twice a day (maybe thrice for extended evenings?), allowing people who actually knew what was going on to have an edge and perceive it as easier to obtain.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think there's a couple different ways to read that article. The $22.4 million could be for the show alone, or the show PLUS the new shops and restaurants. I read it as either way, even though they do seem to single out the Muppet*Vision 3D theater.

That would not be nearly enough money for all of those facilities.

For reference, when they updated Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln two years ago at Disneyland, that update was (reportedly) $5 million with the assumption that a large portion of that cost went to the instalation of the turntable and the single Walt animatronic. This is a substantially larger theater with a large preshow area (which will need significant changes), exterior queue, and exterior facade which will also need updates.

Designing and fabricating an animatronic isn’t a construction cost and would generally be excluded from such documents. Infrastructure to support a figure (power, data, structural support) would be but not everything involved with actually having a figure present in the building.

 

[MisterPenguin]

That is, according to records Orlando Business Journal received from the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District — the governing body that oversees Walt Disney World’s land.

Umm... soo... could we all get records from CFTOD? Can we FOIA the heck out them?

 

[DCBaker]

Umm... soo... could we all get records from CFTOD? Can we FOIA the heck out them?

Public Records Requests - Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

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www.oversightdistrict.org

Central Florida Tourism Oversight District Public Portal - JustFOIA

The JustFOIA Public Portal for Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

oversightdistrict.justfoia.com

 

[MisterPenguin]

Public Records Requests - Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

The Central Florida Tourism Oversight District (CFTOD) is committed to government transparency. Under Chapter 119, Florida Statutes (Florida’s Public Records Law), anyone may request records made or received by CFTOD […]

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Building plans, blueprints, schematic drawings, and diagrams, including draft,​

preliminary, and final formats, which depict the internal layout or structural​

elements of an attractions, and recreation facility, entertainment or resort are​

exempt from public record.​

Boo!

 

[Casper Gutman]

Yes, but they could have. It wasn't the ride that killed them it was 1. a person with a pre-existing condition that decided to ignore the warning signs and 2. also a pre-existing condition that had not been diagnosed before the incident.

I think it is a great idea that they did the split of orange and green to accommodate for more people. After many years of Horizon I was close to dying of boredom. It went from a very long queue line when it was new, in spite of it being a people eater, to a walk on before it was replaced with Mission: Space. Horizon had its day and eventually had a limited repeatability factor. I liked the concept but did think that it was time for a change. As much as I liked Horizon, I enjoyed Mission: Space even more.

I’m sorry, to criticize the repeatability of Horizons while in the same breath praising Mission: Space is absurd - as is blasting Horizons for being “walk on” without noting that M:S is very often the same and has been for years, which is FAR more damning for a thrill ride with a lower capacity.

But nothing is as disingenuous as hand-waving the health risks of M:S and even trying to blame the guest. The attraction’s entire - it’s ONLY - reason for existence is that it directly replicates a system that is used to put people in peak physical conditions - literally the most fit people in the country - through extreme physical conditions. It’s a cartoonishly terrible idea for a ride and health issues were utterly forseeable.

With the usual caveat that opinions are subjective, Mission: Space is garbage, the worst attraction Disney has ever built. Horizons was the least of the three lost Future World dark rides by a fairly narrow margin, but that’s much more a testament to the greatness of Journey and Motion then an indictment of Horizons, which had more wit, artistry, and skill in its construction then anything Disney has built in decades. Mission has absolutely none of those. It’s a massively uninteresting story told in the most boring fashion possible and coupled with an unpleasant ride experience.

As for “time for a change,” Mission has now existed for close to a decade longer than Horizons did, adding nothing to the park.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

I’m sorry, to criticize the repeatability of Horizons while in the same breath praising Mission: Space is absurd - as is blasting Horizons for being “walk on” without noting that M:S is very often the same and has been for years, which is FAR more damning for a thrill ride with a lower capacity.

But nothing is as disingenuous as hand-waving the health risks of M:S and even trying to blame the guest. The attraction’s entire - it’s ONLY - reason for existence is that it directly replicates a system that is used to put people in peak physical conditions - literally the most fit people in the country - through extreme physical conditions. It’s a cartoonishly terrible idea for a ride and health issues were utterly forseeable.

With the usual caveat that opinions are subjective, Mission: Space is garbage, the worst attraction Disney has ever built. Horizons was the least of the three lost Future World dark rides by a fairly narrow margin, but that’s much more a testament to the greatness of Journey and Motion then an indictment of Horizons, which had more wit, artistry, and skill in its construction then anything Disney has built in decades. Mission has absolutely none of those. It’s a massively uninteresting story told in the most boring fashion possible and coupled with an unpleasant ride experience.

As for “time for a change,” Mission has now existed for close to a decade longer than Horizons did, adding nothing to the park.

leaving most of the subjective hand wringing aside, Mission Space's Orange mission exposes riders to around 2.4, 2.5 G's.....or slightly more than half of what you might get on a roller coaster. By way of comparison, RNRC, not what most roller coaster aficionados would call the most extreme of coasters, gets up to 5G's. While i certainly wouldn't call Mission my favorite ride in WDW, its certainly not anything of a health risk for you average rider, which anyone who has been in Florida would say are no way near the peak of physical fitness.

 

[UNCgolf]

Is this true? I didn't get to ride CR until it had been opened for 2 years and the VQ was still running out in seconds. I seem to recall there were some periods when they were easier to grab and then it would get very tough so it might have been how slots where allocated for VQ vs ILL at times. And others have mentioned that reliability may have made it so they released less of ROTR's already lower capacity to VQ compared to Cosmic Rewind. Less supply is going to massively impact how quickly the VQ slots run out.

Maybe @gerarar could offer some insight.

The 1 PM drop was routinely available for 30+ minutes and sometimes over an hour.

I think @James Alucobond is right that it was a different process, though. I think Rise always gave out all of the VQ spots in the morning.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

TRON does also have one, or at least did last time I visited.

They did when I was there as well. My mother is limited mobility and they loaded her there. They also loaded her first and privately on FoP by request.

 

[lazyboy97o]

But nothing is as disingenuous as hand-waving the health risks of M:S and even trying to blame the guest. The attraction’s entire - it’s ONLY - reason for existence is that it directly replicates a system that is used to put people in peak physical conditions - literally the most fit people in the country - through extreme physical conditions. It’s a cartoonishly terrible idea for a ride and health issues were utterly forseeable.

You are buying into marketing hyperbole. Mission: SPACE has never publicly achieved anywhere near the actual forces it pretends to replicate. The actual forces of the ride are not actually all that high or even the highest for an amusement ride. What makes it different is that the force is sustained.

The four year old who died had an incredibly severe undiagnosed heart condition that could have been easily exacerbated by many routine activities. Without diagnosis and treatment he was unfortunately a ticking time bomb.

Warnings about high blood pressure have been outside of rides far longer than Mission: SPACE has been around and it’s because a variety of rides have exacerbated such conditions.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

I will make a special comment here. Tiana's is literally a thrill attraction which is usually aimed at an older crowd, yet Tiana is a "Disney Princess" character a brand that is supposed to be for young girls and the writing on the attraction would not sound out of place in a Disney Junior Show. It seems that WDI isn't really sure who or what it's audience is though of course the real reason was to kill Splash at all costs so I guess as long as they accomplished that they could have themed it to nearly anything.

I wouldn’t say TBA or Splash either one were aimed at an older crowd. It has a very low height requirement. It was designed to be very kid friendly and accessible and to be a stepping stone thrill ride toward a roller coaster.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

The 1 PM drop was routinely available for 30+ minutes and sometimes over an hour.

I think @James Alucobond is right that it was a different process, though. I think Rise always gave out all of the VQ spots in the morning.

I know as of August/September of 21, after the re-opening from Covid, RotR was still only doing a single VQ in the morning.