News Coco Boat Ride Coming to Disney California Adventure

[PiratesMansion]

I heard the loop was designed to be more of a circle so you could feel it more. Not sure where I read/heard that.

That sounds like an urban legend to me. I will say that the loop wasn't always rough like that, and that the loop's roughness is a fairly recent change.

I would be more likely to pin the loop's issues on manufacturer error rather than something intentionally done. It's the only loop I can think of that feels that way.

But I also disagree with your assessment of the coaster overall. It's certainly not in the same league as a HUGE MAJOR HEADLINER, but I don't think it's supposed to be. It was my first looping coaster when I was 8 years old, and I loved it. But then I was still too afraid to ride RnRC during the same summer. It's great for the family, but it's also really imposing and impressive looking. Yeah, it lacks some teeth, but it's great for what it is.

Exactly.

Anyone expecting a coaster with teeth at Disney should be going literally anywhere else instead. The only coasters with teeth that Disney operates has that teeth accidentally as a result of design philosophies that are no longer being followed industry-wide (i.e. Matterhorn, MK Space Mountain).

 

[Professortango1]

That sounds like an urban legend to me. I will say that the loop wasn't always rough like that, and that the loop's roughness is a fairly recent change.

I would be more likely to pin the loop's issues on manufacturer error rather than something intentionally done. It's the only loop I can think of that feels that way.

Exactly.

Anyone expecting a coaster with teeth at Disney should be going literally anywhere else instead. The only coasters with teeth that Disney operates has that teeth accidentally as a result of design philosophies that are no longer being followed industry-wide (i.e. Matterhorn, MK Space Mountain).

Space Mountain has teeth? I always found that the most boring of the Disney mountains. Its better now with the onboard audio and slightly better visuals, but the coaster itself is pretty tame, even for a family coaster.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

Space Mountain has teeth? I always found that the most boring of the Disney mountains. Its better now with the onboard audio and slightly better visuals, but the coaster itself is pretty tame, even for a family coaster.

I think he means the bumpiness. I meant intensity based on original design.

 

[denyuntilcaught]

Space Mountain has teeth? I always found that the most boring of the Disney mountains. Its better now with the onboard audio and slightly better visuals, but the coaster itself is pretty tame, even for a family coaster.

Funny enough, I find it much more thrilling than Big Thunder, especially in the final turns.

 

[CoastalElite64]

Anyone expecting a coaster with teeth at Disney should be going literally anywhere else instead. The only coasters with teeth that Disney operates has that teeth accidentally as a result of design philosophies that are no longer being followed industry-wide (i.e. Matterhorn, MK Space Mountain).

Cosmic Rewind?

Everest?

 

[mickEblu]

Space Mountain has teeth? I always found that the most boring of the Disney mountains. Its better now with the onboard audio and slightly better visuals, but the coaster itself is pretty tame, even for a family coaster.

He said MK's Space Mountain

 

[PiratesMansion]

Space Mountain has teeth? I always found that the most boring of the Disney mountains. Its better now with the onboard audio and slightly better visuals, but the coaster itself is pretty tame, even for a family coaster.

Specifically the MK Space Mountain, with its jankier track layout and unexpected pops of ejector air.

It rides a bit more aggressively than people presently expect for a Disney coaster.

Cosmic Rewind?

Everest?

Haven't done or watched anything of Cosmic Rewind, so can't really speak one way or another about it.

Everest has moments of intensity, sure, but it's clearly a more modern design with more streamlined transitions and so on. It doesn't jolt you the way older coasters do. Additionally, you have clear pauses between different sections that don't exist on the older Disney coasters.

And while it's taller, most of the time it isn't really using its height to do anything more drastic or intense than the older Disney coasters. You pretty much have the backwards section (intense more because you're going backwards than because of anything the actual track is doing) and that one big drop doing a lot of heavy lifting in the intensity department. The rest of it's not particularly crazy.

 

[Professortango1]

Cosmic Rewind?

Everest?

Everest wants to be thrilling but kept tripping over itself. The only thrilling moment is the view of from the Broken track moment, everything else is pretty mild, ruined with pacing, or broken.

Matterhorn is still a better ride experience of a similar coaster.

Cosmic is just Ghost Galaxy with a much bigger budget. It's fun, but not that I would call having teeth.

If I'm not afraid to go on it, it doesn't have teeth. Because I am a wuss.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

I heard the loop was designed to be more of a circle so you could feel it more. Not sure where I read/heard that. But I also disagree with your assessment of the coaster overall. It's certainly not in the same league as a HUGE MAJOR HEADLINER, but I don't think it's supposed to be. It was my first looping coaster when I was 8 years old, and I loved it. But then I was still too afraid to ride RnRC during the same summer. It's great for the family, but it's also really imposing and impressive looking. Yeah, it lacks some teeth, but it's great for what it is.

It very well could be a case that I did not grow up with it and came to it as an adult, having already done all of Disney’s other thrill coasters plus many other thrill coasters around the country. I was a bit spoiled I suppose going in so it left me a little sad to find I didn’t really enjoy it.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

That sounds like an urban legend to me. I will say that the loop wasn't always rough like that, and that the loop's roughness is a fairly recent change.

I would be more likely to pin the loop's issues on manufacturer error rather than something intentionally done. It's the only loop I can think of that feels that way.

Exactly.

Anyone expecting a coaster with teeth at Disney should be going literally anywhere else instead. The only coasters with teeth that Disney operates has that teeth accidentally as a result of design philosophies that are no longer being followed industry-wide (i.e. Matterhorn, MK Space Mountain).

I do not expect Disney to make a coaster with a ton of bite, but they HAVE built coasters before and after Incredicoaster with more force and thrill to them. It should have the punch that RnRC has along with the moments of pop that CR has but it unfortunately feels very nerfed comparatively. It’s launch is nowhere near as impactful as RnRC and for some reason despite the entire back half being airtime hills there is no…well airtime.

 

[PiratesMansion]

I do not expect Disney to make a coaster with a ton of bite, but they HAVE built coasters before and after Incredicoaster with more force and thrill to them. It should have the punch that RnRC has along with the moments of pop that CR has but it unfortunately feels very nerfed comparatively. It’s launch is nowhere near as impactful as RnRC and for some reason despite the entire back half being airtime hills there is no…well airtime.

Allegedly at one point it did have better airtime, but the ramped up the trims after a minor collision in the first decade of the ride's history.

Couldn't say when that was, but people were adamant on Theme Park Review back in the day that that was the case (and this was back when they were based in CA).

 

[denyuntilcaught]

Allegedly at one point it did have better airtime, but the ramped up the trims after a minor collision in the first decade of the ride's history.

Couldn't say when that was, but people were adamant on Theme Park Review back in the day that that was the case (and this was back when they were based in CA).

Can absolutely attest to this. I've been going to DCA since park opening and I distinctly recall the bunny hops before the penultimate break run having a lot more of a surprise pop to them versus the smooth glide they now provide. In general, the ride used to have a bit more of a bite to it than before, but I had always figured that was due to me growing up and having a greater number of coasters under my belt to compare it to.

 

[mickEblu]

It'll be interesting to see what creative solutions they come up with to obscure the fact that you are butted up against a gigantic and loud coaster. Some thoughts/ questions about this project in general:


How long will the path to the show building be from the current parade gate?

What attempt, if any, will there be to immerse guests in that outdoor space/ path with the giant coaster looming above?

Will the entire queue be inside?

Will Emotional Whirlwind be removed so its land can be utilized?

Where do we exit? The current bandstand? Will Bing Bongs be rethemed as an exit gift shop for Coco?

Will Paradise Garden Grill and Boardwalk Pizza n Pasta be rethemed to Coco? Where would the Pizza move?

What would that mean for Goofys Sky School and the rest of Paradise Garden Park? Pixar Pier expansion announcement incoming?

 

[DrStarlander]

Will Paradise Garden Grill and Boardwalk Pizza n Pasta be rethemed to Coco?

I also continue to wonder about F&B related to DCA's expansions, especially capacity. The purpose of these attractions is to increase the park's attendance. @BrianLo has suggested attendance could go up 30-40%, which is 3-4 million (Avengers thread, Nov.1). I respect the take.

Where will these people eat?

• We can be fairly confident there's no new F&B coming to Avengers Campus with the two new attractions.
• Retheming Paradise Gardens F&B doesn't obviously increase capacity.
• Is the entire burden of increasing F&B capacity coming in the Avatar land...several years after the other additions?
• Or is DCA F&B underutilized and not needing more F&B capacity to accommodate attendance growth? Are there waits/lines? Can you get a reservation easy to the three table-service restaurants (Disneyland has four, by the way, a question from earlier)?

 

[BrianLo]

I also continue to wonder about F&B related to DCA's expansions, especially capacity. The purpose of these attractions is to increase the park's attendance. @BrianLo has suggested attendance could go up 30-40%, which is 3-4 million (Avengers thread, Nov.1). I respect the take.

Where will these people eat?

• We can be fairly confident there's no new F&B coming to Avengers Campus with the two new attractions.
• Retheming Paradise Gardens F&B doesn't obviously increase capacity.
• Is the entire burden of increasing F&B capacity coming in the Avatar land...several years after the other additions?
• Or is DCA F&B underutilized and not needing more F&B capacity to accommodate attendance growth? Are there waits/lines? Can you get a reservation easy to the three table-service restaurants (Disneyland has four, by the way, a question from earlier)?

I can’t exactly speak to current theme park dining capacity, but it seems like there is still some slack. Pym’s test kitchen is a big facility with a rather flat attendance gain since its introduction.

I do suspect the bulk my predicted attendance gain comes on the back of the full rollout, then even a year or two after that - and primarily driven by Pandora’s opening. I suspect Pandora will host a rather large dining facility since Satu’li kitchen is so highly regarded. Then the resort as a whole has added a few things to help offset. Porto’s will be on the doorstep.

 

[PiratesMansion]

I don't really get the sense that there's any issues with dining capacity at DCA. It might seem that way if you're trying to eat in SFS during any popular eating time, but apart from that specific area I don't really see any overcrowding or issues.

There will probably be something added to Pandora, because there will be some dining/revenue loss once that area goes down.

I could see the Paradise Garden Grill/Boardwalk area being lightly retouched to fit Coco, given that at times there's already things like Plaza de la Familia and Viva Navidad. That said, I don't know that it really needs anything new to be done.

30-40% attendance gain would be huge. I imagine that if all of the upcoming additions are big successes that it might get there, but I don't see that gain coming from Avengers by itself.

 

[wityblack]

Boardwalk Pizza and Pasta is a top 3 comfort food spot for me in the resort.

 

[Professortango1]

Boardwalk Pizza and Pasta is a top 3 comfort food spot for me in the resort.

I've never eaten there.

I don't doubt its good, but the location is in an area that I never visit. Coco will (hopefully) give me a reason to walk beyond Mermiad/Midway Mania. That entire corner of the park is a dud for me, so I have zero attachment to anything over there. Especially if they insist on doing the shows in the only walkway and not on the actual stage surrounded by nice seating. Watching the Coco show jammed up against the exit to Jumping Jelly Fish with no elevation for performers was one of my final straws.

Meanwhile, I started my pass at Knotts today. Saw a few great acts, even with the on/off again rain.

 

[mickEblu]

I've never eaten there.

I don't doubt its good, but the location is in an area that I never visit. Coco will (hopefully) give me a reason to walk beyond Mermiad/Midway Mania. That entire corner of the park is a dud for me, so I have zero attachment to anything over there. Especially if they insist on doing the shows in the only walkway and not on the actual stage surrounded by nice seating. Watching the Coco show jammed up against the exit to Jumping Jelly Fish with no elevation for performers was one of my final straws.

Meanwhile, I started my pass at Knotts today. Saw a few great acts, even with the on/off again rain.

The pizza is ok. Ive never tried anything else there. It’s a little better than Pizza Planet for whatever reason even though it seems like exactly the same pizza/ ingredients. Maybe because Boardwalk has a wood burning oven (I think?) and Pizza Planet doesn’t?

I’d bet it isn’t going anywhere. The area is pretty much already a Coco zone for a good portion of the year and it’s not like Boardwalk Pizza n Pasta really interferes with that. After all, it’s would still be Pixar Pier, not Coco Pier. If they want to expand the Pixar theme into that area they could give Boardwalk some Luca touches/ new name or of course they could just leave it alone. With all of that said, Im 50/50 on where this Coco neighborhood would actually go. If it goes from the bandstand/ Bing Bongs and encompasses all of Paradise Gardens restaurants/ seating area that would be quite large. And would also require retheming Bing Bongs and removing Emotional Whirlwind. Then again they may have to retheme Bing Bongs anyway if they want Coco to have an exit shop. Considering Inside Out 2 made a billion dollars that’s probably not the plan. So maybe everything Coco is confined to the expansion pad and maybe the Paradise Gardens area.

Ok, I’m going in circles.

 

[mickEblu]

I also continue to wonder about F&B related to DCA's expansions, especially capacity. The purpose of these attractions is to increase the park's attendance. @BrianLo has suggested attendance could go up 30-40%, which is 3-4 million (Avengers thread, Nov.1). I respect the take.

Where will these people eat?

• We can be fairly confident there's no new F&B coming to Avengers Campus with the two new attractions.
• Retheming Paradise Gardens F&B doesn't obviously increase capacity.
• Is the entire burden of increasing F&B capacity coming in the Avatar land...several years after the other additions?
• Or is DCA F&B underutilized and not needing more F&B capacity to accommodate attendance growth? Are there waits/lines? Can you get a reservation easy to the three table-service restaurants (Disneyland has four, by the way, a question from earlier)?

30-40% is a huge number. Could the park even handle those numbers in the walkways etc? I think something like 15%-20% after it’s all said and done after all of the additions including Avatar sounds more accurate but I could be wrong. And you have to wonder how much of that would just be the same old people just now making DCA their starting park.